Build A Waterfront Stadium



  • @dogmeat

    Hmmm ... thought bubbling further if PoA does not have public shareholders expecting a profit, and if Council dies not have an obligation to run a port itself, there would likely be a way to sell Auckland's business to Tga in a mutually beneficial arrangement.

    Already a rail line through the Kaimais ...



  • @booboo POA offered to but Tga's container business and got rebuffed.

    Council gets about 50 mill dividend p.a. so definitely have a shareholder expecting a dividend.

    Also illustrates a massive conflict of interest when it comes to harbourside developments



  • @booboo said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:

    @dogmeat

    Hmmm ... thought bubbling further if PoA does not have public shareholders expecting a profit, and if Council dies not have an obligation to run a port itself, there would likely be a way to sell Auckland's business to Tga in a mutually beneficial arrangement.

    Already a rail line through the Kaimais ...

    That would still require Tauranga to probably almost double their capacity. Assuming current quays run near capacity, as both operations are nose to nose for biggest nz port

    NOt sure if PoT have the space to expand?

    I think the 'no new port in Firth' viewpoint is that Marsaden Point and Tauranga between them expand to absorb Auckland's capacity.



  • I think an in water stadium is madness. It's going to leak, you just know it



  • @canefan said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:

    I think an in water stadium is madness. It's going to leak, you just know it

    Technical comment, but there's not a lot of difference between basements and the sea. most basements are belwo the groundwater table and have the risk of seepages into the basement. Modern waterproofing is most excellent.



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  • @machpants shit, I should have said storied.

    Waterproofing is most storied, dude 🙂



  • @nzzp said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:

    @machpants shit, I should have said storied.

    Waterproofing is most storied.
    Discuss

    Fixed it for you bro 🙂



  • @nzzp said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:

    @canefan said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:

    I think an in water stadium is madness. It's going to leak, you just know it

    Technical comment, but there's not a lot of difference between basements and the sea. most basements are belwo the groundwater table and have the risk of seepages into the basement. Modern waterproofing is most excellent.

    My mate waterproofed her basement reno 5 years ago. It leaks like a bastard. Just because you can doesn't mean you should



  • @dogmeat said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:

    • A stadium is a poor use of such a prime site. As I have said before - there's a reason renders of stadia are always night shots with stands brilliantly lit up a people spilling out into the surrounding area. The reality is that during the day every one of them is effectively and blank walled citadel 13 stories high with no activity or street level engagement.

    I disagree on this one - the MCG and Skydome in Toronto are both large, downtown stadiums and look great IMO.

    As you say though we do have a tendency to do things on the cheap, so constructing a 50,000 toilet is always a possibility.



  • @canefan said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:

    . Just because you can doesn't mean you should

    There's something that worries me about this project. Just have that suspicion that if you try to get too fancy anything that could go wrong will go wrong.

    Just have a Montreal Olympic Stadium vibe about it.



  • @booboo said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:

    @canefan said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:

    . Just because you can doesn't mean you should

    There's something that worries me about this project. Just have that suspicion that if you try to get too fancy anything that could go wrong will go wrong.

    Just have a Montreal Olympic Stadium vibe about it.

    For sure. So many things could go wrong and construction costs will be much greater. Will they need to build a dry dock of sorts just to construct the stadium? They should keep it simple



  • I thought that we had done the leaky building thing already...this could be a whole other level.

    We already have the tepid baths for swimming in downtown AKL, and a harbour.

    There does appear to be some pessimism about all this - perhaps it is just experience.



  • @snowy said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:

    I thought that we had done the leaky building thing already...this could be a whole other level.

    We already have the tepid baths for swimming in downtown AKL, and a harbour.

    There does appear to be some pessimism about all this - perhaps it is just experience.

    All of this, and @canefan 's comments - reek of the type of pessimism I despise when I start a new job.
    "We tried this, and it didnt' work - so never try again"
    when any competent motherfucker looks at what was done before, and says "yeah - you tried it, but you fucked it up"

    Sure - optimististki somewhat - but do it, DO IT WELL, and it would be fucking awesome.



  • @kruse Agree that it could be fantastic but you have more faith than I do.

    I'm about to build a house - needless to say that it doesn't have internal gutters - because water.



  • @snowy said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:

    @kruse Agree that it could be fantastic but you have more faith than I do.

    I'm about to build a house - needless to say that it doesn't have internal gutters - because water.

    Not sure I have faith - just the reasons for arguing against it are flawed.
    If I had awesome engineers that I trusted - I'd support it. In a heartbeat.
    But yeah, I assume 90% of people are dumb as fuck and incompetent, so... if I was building a house, unless I was micro-managing (actually... doing) everything, sure - I'd be avoiding risk.



  • @kruse said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:

    @snowy said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:

    @kruse Agree that it could be fantastic but you have more faith than I do.

    I'm about to build a house - needless to say that it doesn't have internal gutters - because water.

    Not sure I have faith - just the reasons for arguing against it are flawed.
    If I had awesome engineers that I trusted - I'd support it. In a heartbeat.
    But yeah, I assume 90% of people are dumb as fuck and incompetent, so... if I was building a house, unless I was micro-managing (actually... doing) everything, sure - I'd be avoiding risk.

    Even engineers fuck up. Look at CTV, that bridge in Italy, the Titanic..... Water is so pervasive. It finds a way eventually. Raise it out of the water on piles like Etihad in Melbourne and maybe. Otherwise fugedaboutit



  • @kruse said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:

    If I had awesome engineers that I trusted -

    That is where there may be a problem.

    Then the private money "dries up" (yes, I know) and the rate payers "bail it out" (yes, again).

    @kruse said in Build A Waterfront Stadium:

    But yeah, I assume 90% of people are dumb as fuck and incompetent, so...

    Yep. Just been through that on other thread. Unfortunately I won't be there with my superiority complex to micro manage the stadium as I will be busy supervising the morans building my house.



  • @canefan As long as they don't get you mate to do the waterproofing they should be ok.



  • I can see Goff getting ousted ,a Chow brother getting elected and Chinese money and labour being used on this.
    That will end well for you guys.


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