Scotland v South Africa
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Scotland
15 Stuart Hogg VICE CAPTAIN (Glasgow Warriors) – 63 caps
14 Tommy Seymour (Glasgow Warriors) – 45 caps
13 Huw Jones (Glasgow Warriors) – 17 caps
12 Pete Horne (Glasgow Warriors) – 37 caps
11 Sean Maitland (Saracens) – 35 caps10 Finn Russell (Racing 92) – 38 caps
9 Greig Laidlaw CAPTAIN (Clermont Auvergne) – 64 caps1 Gordon Reid (London Irish) – 32 caps
2 Stuart McInally VICE CAPTAIN (Edinburgh) – 20 caps
3 Willem Nel (Edinburgh) – 24 caps
4 Ben Toolis (Edinburgh) – 13 caps
5 Jonny Gray (Glasgow Warriors) – 45 caps
6 Sam Skinner (Exeter Chiefs) – 1 cap
7 Hamish Watson (Edinburgh) – 21 caps
8 Ryan Wilson (Glasgow Warriors) – 39 capsSubstitutes:
16 Fraser Brown (Glasgow Warriors) – 36 caps
17 Allan Dell (Edinburgh) – 15 caps
18 Simon Berghan (Edinburgh) – 12 caps
19 Josh Strauss (Sales Sharks) – 15 caps
20 Jamie Ritchie (Edinburgh) – 4 caps
21 Ali Price (Glasgow Warriors) – 18 caps
22 Adam Hastings (Glasgow Warriors) – 5 caps
23 Chris Harris (Newcastle Falcons) – 5 capshttp://scottishrugby.org/news/18/11/13/six-changes-springbok-test
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Hi Crucial, yeah it's a relatively inexperienced team, there are some more caps being rested this week who might be considered first choicers or there are injured players out, too.
I think Townsend is trying to build a greater depth.
Laidlaw and Hogg are first names on the teamsheet for me, I'm still not sure what our best centre pairing is but Horne and Jones are our paciest options until Duncan Taylor is fit again.
Up front, Johnny Gray is still only 24, Skinner 22. McInally converted to hooker from the back row and so wasn't capped until he had played in the front row for a couple of years, he's first choice now, though it accounts for the low number of caps up front.
This is going to be a tough evening for us, the Boks seem to be going well this year. It was difficult to tell if the teams were any good in their game against France, though.Townsend has a reputation for is teams playing up tempo rugby, but the last two games has seen us biff it up in the forwards, playing one-out pick and go, I'm kind of hoping this is so South Africa will prepare for that and we'll revert back to slinging it wide and playing on the counter, we'll see.
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If the mighty Scots win do they go to 5th in the rankings? British sides ranking 2, 3, 4 and 5 would make the Walrus beat his meat all Christmas....
They're a hell of a chance especially at Murrayfield but I won't hold my breath......my heart has been broken too may times.
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@mn5 said in Scotland v South Africa:
If the mighty Scots win do they go to 5th in the rankings? British sides ranking 2, 3, 4 and 5 would make the Walrus beat his meat all Christmas....
They're a hell of a chance especially at Murrayfield but I won't hold my breath......my heart has been broken too may times.
You also, like to live dangerously.
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@bones said in Scotland v South Africa:
@mn5 said in Scotland v South Africa:
If the mighty Scots win do they go to 5th in the rankings? British sides ranking 2, 3, 4 and 5 would make the Walrus beat his meat all Christmas....
They're a hell of a chance especially at Murrayfield but I won't hold my breath......my heart has been broken too may times.
You also, like to live dangerously.
Same diff, just different levels of ginga/pastiness
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@mn5 said in Scotland v South Africa:
If the mighty Scots win do they go to 5th in the rankings? British sides ranking 2, 3, 4 and 5 would make the Walrus beat his meat all Christmas....
They're a hell of a chance especially at Murrayfield but I won't hold my breath......my heart has been broken too may times.
Yes... according to https://rawling.github.io/wr-calc
... new rugby superstition being born... I just applied for British Citizenship/passport... perhaps I've transferred some "All-Blacks-essence" to the pricks?
I'll consider burning my british passport at the start of RWC2019... see how that goes. -
Springboks
15 Willie le Roux (Wasps, England, 51, 60 - 12t)
14 Sbu Nkosi (Cell C Sharks, 5, 20 - 4t)
13 Jesse Kriel (Vodacom Blue Bulls, 38, 50 - 10t)
12 Damian de Allende (DHL Western Province, 35, 20 - 4t)
11 Aphiwe Dyantyi (Xerox Golden Lions, 11, 30 - 6t)
10 Handré Pollard (Vodacom Blue Bulls), 37, 318 - 3t, 57c, 60p, 3d)
9 Embrose Papier (Vodacom Blue Bulls, 5, 0)
8 Duane Vermeulen (Kubota Spears, Japan, 44, 15 - 3t)
7 Pieter-Steph du Toit (DHL Western Province, 44, 20 - 4t)
6 Siya Kolisi (captain, DHL Western Province, 39, 25 - 5t)
5 Franco Mostert (Gloucester, England, 27, 5 - 1t)
4 RG Snyman (Honda Heat, Japan, 10, 0)
3 Frans Malherbe (DHL Western Province, 27, 0)
2 Malcolm Marx (Xerox Golden Lions, 22, 20 - 4t)
1 Steven Kitshoff (DHL Western Province, 35, 5 - 1t)Replacements:
16 Bongi Mbonambi (DHL Western Province, 24, 15 - 3t)
17 Thomas du Toit (Cell C Sharks, 7, 0)
18 Vincent Koch (Saracens, England, 11, 0)
19 Lood de Jager (Vodacom Blue Bulls, 37, 20 - 4t)
20 Francois Louw (Bath, England, 63, 45 - 9t)
21 Ivan van Zyl (Vodacom Blue Bulls, 4, 0)
22 Elton Jantjies (Xerox Golden Lions, 31, 223 - 2t, 42c, 43p)
23 Cheslin Kolbe (Toulouse, France, 5, 10 - 2t)The Springbok team for Saturday’s third Test of the Castle Lager Outgoing Tour against Scotland in Edinburgh shows six changes, including two personnel changes and two positional switches in the starting lineup, in what promises to be another very tough encounter for the South Africans. Duane Vermeulen moves back to No 8 in place of the injured Warren Whiteley, while Pieter-Steph du Toit will pack down at blindside flank again, moving from lock, where he started against England and France. Upfront, RG Snyman will start in the second row for the fourth time in his short international career, due to a decision not to rush Eben Etzebeth back from the injury he sustained against England, and Du Toit’s shift from lock to loose forward. The only other change to the starting team is at scrumhalf, where Embrose Papier will earn his first starting cap for the Springboks. With Faf de Klerk released back to his club in England, Ivan van Zyl comes into the match-23 as replacement scrumhalf, while Lood de Jager will provide lock cover on the bench. Whiteley is struggling with a calf strain and because he also won’t be ready for next week’s last tour match in Cardiff in Wales, it was decided to withdraw him from the rest of the tour.Meanwhile, flyhalf Handré Pollard will become the second most-capped Springbok No 10 when he make his 38th Test appearance on Saturday, surpassing 2007 World Cup winner Butch James’ landmark 37 caps in that position. The most-capped Springbok flyhalf is Morné Steyn, with 64 Tests at pivot. South Africa and Scotland have played each other 16 times at BT Murrayfield, with the Springboks winning 12 of those Tests for a win percentage of 75%.Records vs Scotland: * South Africa’s overall record against Scotland at BT Murrayfield: P: 16; W: 12; L: 4; PF: 411; PA: 156; TF: 56; TA: 14; Average score: 26-10; Win%: 75%. * The top Springbok scorers at BT Murrayfield are: Percy Montgomery (59 points, 17 conversions, 5 penalty goals); Joost van der Westhuizen (4 tries); and Jaco van der Westhuyzen (3 drop goals). * The match records are: Percy Montgomery (26 points and 8 conversions); Six players have scored 2 tries; Morné Steyn (4 penalty goals) and Jaco van der Westhuyzen (3 drop goals). * South Africa’s overall record against Scotland is: P: 26; W: 21; L: 5; PF: 686; PA: 286; TF: 86; TA: 28; Average score: 26-11. Win%: 81%. * South Africa’s biggest win against Scotland (58 points) was on 6 December 1997 at BT Murrayfield when the Springboks ran in 10 tries with the final score 68-10. On the day, Percy Montgomery scored 26 points with two tries and eight conversions. * The Springboks’ biggest loss against Scotland was on 16 November 2002 at BT Murrayfield when the visitors lost by 6-21. -
Scots have a great recent home record:
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@rapido said in Scotland v South Africa:
Scots have a great recent home record:
That is freakishly good reading for a Scots fan
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Sorry Eddie Butler, the best two tries of the Autumn have been scored in this match.
Huw Jones second pass looked forward though. Would be cruel.
Scotland 7 - 7 SA
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Great reply from SA
Scotland 7 - 14 SA
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Pen to SA, pen to Scotland
Scotland 10 - 17 SA
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Awesome lineout from Scotland
Scotland 17 - 17 SA
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Great kick from Pollard
Scotland 17 - 20 SA
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Fantastic first half of test rugby 👏👏👏
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@rapido said in Scotland v South Africa:
The 'intercepts are evil' and 'crappy floaty passes are good' brigade ruining the game. Time for me to switch over anyway.
This sport is a farce.
Fucking joke.
Obviously never watched Le Roux play.
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Amazing debut from Papier
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@mikethesnow said in Scotland v South Africa:
@rapido said in Scotland v South Africa:
The 'intercepts are evil' and 'crappy floaty passes are good' brigade ruining the game. Time for me to switch over anyway.
This sport is a farce.
Fucking joke.
Obviously never watched Le Roux play.
I think the ref made him pay for that moustache thing
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I get that you want to back yourself, but who are the Scots kidding?
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@kruse said in Scotland v South Africa:
@mn5 said in Scotland v South Africa:
If the mighty Scots win do they go to 5th in the rankings? British sides ranking 2, 3, 4 and 5 would make the Walrus beat his meat all Christmas....
They're a hell of a chance especially at Murrayfield but I won't hold my breath......my heart has been broken too may times.
Yes... according to https://rawling.github.io/wr-calc
... new rugby superstition being born... I just applied for British Citizenship/passport... perhaps I've transferred some "All-Blacks-essence" to the pricks?
I'll consider burning my british passport at the start of RWC2019... see how that goes.I travelled from London to Dublin on my newly-acquired British passport, wearing an All Blacks jersey. It's my fault we lost.
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@tewaio said in Scotland v South Africa:
@kruse said in Scotland v South Africa:
@mn5 said in Scotland v South Africa:
If the mighty Scots win do they go to 5th in the rankings? British sides ranking 2, 3, 4 and 5 would make the Walrus beat his meat all Christmas....
They're a hell of a chance especially at Murrayfield but I won't hold my breath......my heart has been broken too may times.
Yes... according to https://rawling.github.io/wr-calc
... new rugby superstition being born... I just applied for British Citizenship/passport... perhaps I've transferred some "All-Blacks-essence" to the pricks?
I'll consider burning my british passport at the start of RWC2019... see how that goes.I travelled from London to Dublin on my newly-acquired British passport, wearing an All Blacks jersey. It's my fault we lost.
We all know how Eddie likes to poach kiwis. Has he been in touch at all?
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Shit result. In years gone by I think the Scots would have gladly taken that as yet another 'gallant loss' but they've improved enough in the last few years to realise that was a Bok team that was there for the taking particularly at home.
Ireland and Wales have made huge strides lately but to be honest the Scots aren't too far behind. They'll be a force in the WC.
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Some cracking tries in this one!
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@mn5 said in Scotland v South Africa:
Shit result. In years gone by I think the Scots would have gladly taken that as yet another 'gallant loss' but they've improved enough in the last few years to realise that was a Bok team that was there for the taking particularly at home.
Ireland and Wales have made huge strides lately but to be honest the Scots aren't too far behind. They'll be a force in the WC.
Based on this Autumn, Scotland could easily lose to Japan and not make it out of the group.
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@mikethesnow said in Scotland v South Africa:
@mn5 said in Scotland v South Africa:
Shit result. In years gone by I think the Scots would have gladly taken that as yet another 'gallant loss' but they've improved enough in the last few years to realise that was a Bok team that was there for the taking particularly at home.
Ireland and Wales have made huge strides lately but to be honest the Scots aren't too far behind. They'll be a force in the WC.
Based on this Autumn, Scotland could easily lose to Japan and not make it out of the group.
Fucken as if.......
( MN5 takes a quick swig of Whisky and hopes his bravado doesn't bite him in the ass)
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@mn5 said in Scotland v South Africa:
Shit result. In years gone by I think the Scots would have gladly taken that as yet another 'gallant loss' but they've improved enough in the last few years to realise that was a Bok team that was there for the taking particularly at home.
Ireland and Wales have made huge strides lately but to be honest the Scots aren't too far behind. They'll be a force in the WC.
it's expectation that kills you
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@mariner4life said in Scotland v South Africa:
@mn5 said in Scotland v South Africa:
Shit result. In years gone by I think the Scots would have gladly taken that as yet another 'gallant loss' but they've improved enough in the last few years to realise that was a Bok team that was there for the taking particularly at home.
Ireland and Wales have made huge strides lately but to be honest the Scots aren't too far behind. They'll be a force in the WC.
it's expectation that kills you
.....and being a Black Caps supporter too I get it all year round
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@mn5 said in Scotland v South Africa:
@mariner4life said in Scotland v South Africa:
@mn5 said in Scotland v South Africa:
Shit result. In years gone by I think the Scots would have gladly taken that as yet another 'gallant loss' but they've improved enough in the last few years to realise that was a Bok team that was there for the taking particularly at home.
Ireland and Wales have made huge strides lately but to be honest the Scots aren't too far behind. They'll be a force in the WC.
it's expectation that kills you
.....and being a Black Caps supporter too I get it all year round
haha no way!! i learned that lesson. Once. Once i let myself get a level of expectation once, and of course i got my fingers burned. So the Black Caps and the Warriors are settled in the "no expectations" pile. Fuck doing that to myself
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@mariner4life said in Scotland v South Africa:
@mn5 said in Scotland v South Africa:
@mariner4life said in Scotland v South Africa:
@mn5 said in Scotland v South Africa:
Shit result. In years gone by I think the Scots would have gladly taken that as yet another 'gallant loss' but they've improved enough in the last few years to realise that was a Bok team that was there for the taking particularly at home.
Ireland and Wales have made huge strides lately but to be honest the Scots aren't too far behind. They'll be a force in the WC.
it's expectation that kills you
.....and being a Black Caps supporter too I get it all year round
haha no way!! i learned that lesson. Once. Once i let myself get a level of expectation once, and of course i got my fingers burned. So the Black Caps and the Warriors are settled in the "no expectations" pile. Fuck doing that to myself
Living in Sydney in 2003 I couldn't help but get on the Warriors bandwagon but I stepped off for good in 2004
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@bones said in Scotland v South Africa:
@mn5 that's weird, that's when I lived in Maroubra, went to a few warriors games. Most fun we had was going along to a Chiefs game and taking a massive ships bell. You could hear it through most of the commentary. Met Gibbit too.
You lebs have an interesting idea of a fun night out. You also add cheese to kebabs over there which really threw me on my first night on the piss.
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