2020 All Blacks Squad



  • @Yeetyaah I think someone on here has some contact with Romano and says he's not keen on playing overseas and planning on moving into coaching. Could easily be after this season since he's 33 now. Now that Whitelock is skipping next year's Super rugby, I'd like to see Romano sign on for one more season. I don't think he should be out of contention for the ABs RWC squad this time around - I still have question marks over big Patty, including after last Saturday.

    Kane Hames' concussion is looking like a serious worry for him ever playing again.



  • @Yeetyaah said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:

    I think Williams... will head offshore.

    It would be pretty ironic if after all his code jumping and going to the highest bidder at the peak of his powers that now after getting married and having kids he wants to settle down but the NZRU is basically like... we reckon you are done at test level we can give you the Crockett/Romano deal but that's about it.



  • @Bones said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:

    @Chester-Draws I think Frizzell will get a lot.

    He better start to deliver pretty fast then, because there's a few equally promising players on the rise.

    I don't think he will, because he's the wrong sort of player to develop late. He's an athlete, fair enough, but the late bloomers at six have been ones who were physically hard and took time to harden up (like Kaino) or came late to the position (like Messam).

    Frizzel reminds me of Blowers, who was spent by the age Frizzel is now. Or Jamie Joseph, similarly gone by 25.



  • @Chester-Draws I may have been one of his biggest detractors last year ๐Ÿ˜‰ but even I think heโ€™s looked good this year - so Iโ€™m unsure why the Highlanders selectors replaced him with the โ€œsafeโ€* Lucky Luke.

    • Which is I assume is redefined as misses tackles and gives away stupid penalties now.


  • @Chester-Draws Kaino was an athlete type player.



  • @Bones said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:

    @Chester-Draws Kaino was an athlete type player.

    Who needed to toughen up...



  • @antipodean said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:

    @Bones said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:

    @Chester-Draws Kaino was an athlete type player.

    Who needed to toughen up...

    Duh me. I missed out that Frizzell was tough enough already.



  • Depending on how you look at it Frizell is pretty new to the position.

    He only started playing rugby when he was 17 and only arrived in NZ (from Tonga) in 2015.

    Started for the Mako in 2016.



  • Jack Goodhue will be available in 2020. Naholo won't be.

    All Blacks unaccounted for in 2020:

    Brodie Retallick:
    Beauden Barrett:
    Jordie Barrett:
    Shannon Frizell:
    Sonny Bill Williams: (off to Toronto Wolfpack?)
    Kane Hames: (Concussion issues)
    Matt Todd:
    Luke Romano
    Matt Perry:



  • @sparky You've been watching too many "Friends"re-runs!

    Regain control of your Television! ๐Ÿ™‚



  • @Bones said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:

    @Chester-Draws Kaino was an athlete type player.

    No he wasn't. He wasn't fast (compared to young Messam he was slow). He wasn't fabulous in the air, winning strings of lineouts and kickoffs. He wasn't nimble. When you think of him, what special athletic powers did he have others striving for his position don't?

    He was a hard man who hit hard and made few mistakes. He was fit. He had a bit of explosive power, but it didn't translate into many line breaks, for instance.

    No-one doubts his worth. But he was no more naturally athletic than any of his competitors.



  • @Chester-Draws

    Which Kaino are we talking about? 2004 Kaino was an athlete - he added the hard later and got his place from 2008, becoming god-like from about 2011.



  • @gt12 exactly.

    Young Kaino was a serious athlete.

    I believe it was 2004 on debut ABs v Barbarians at Twickenham that Kaino went in and around Mat Rogers to score?



  • @KiwiMurph said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:

    @gt12 exactly.

    Young Kaino was a serious athlete.

    I believe it was 2004 on debut ABs v Barbarians at Twickenham that Kaino went in and around Mat Rogers to score?

    Spent all day embarrassing him. Glorious.



  • @KiwiMurph said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:

    @gt12 exactly.

    Young Kaino was a serious athlete.

    I believe it was 2004 on debut ABs v Barbarians at Twickenham that Kaino went in and around Mat Rogers to score?

    Hang on am I reading this right ? In order to become a great blindside you have to lose your athleticism?



  • @MN5 said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:

    @KiwiMurph said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:

    @gt12 exactly.

    Young Kaino was a serious athlete.

    I believe it was 2004 on debut ABs v Barbarians at Twickenham that Kaino went in and around Mat Rogers to score?

    Hang on am I reading this right ? In order to become a great blindside you have to lose your athleticism?

    If thats the case I would have been a superlative blindside.

    I think you read it wrong.



  • @jegga said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:

    @MN5 said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:

    @KiwiMurph said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:

    @gt12 exactly.

    Young Kaino was a serious athlete.

    I believe it was 2004 on debut ABs v Barbarians at Twickenham that Kaino went in and around Mat Rogers to score?

    Hang on am I reading this right ? In order to become a great blindside you have to lose your athleticism?

    If thats the case I would have been a superlative blindside.

    I think you read it wrong.

    Well no Iโ€™m not. Apparently you canโ€™t be tough and an athlete at the same time.



  • @Chester-Draws yeah but nah, incorrect. You're missing a fair chunk of his career as others have politely pointed out.



  • @Chris-B It was more an issue of confusing Crusaders Prop Tim Perry with the former Bath, England and Lions fullback than with the Canadian actor who played Chandler Bing :

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Perry_(rugby_union)



  • @sparky Denial is futile! ๐Ÿ™‚





  • I really like Ennor, but I cannot see how he can break into the AB's this year short of some significant injuries. His point of difference is that he can play both wings, fullback and centre. Being able to play both wings is handy but not that rare. But centre is one of the challenging positions in the game, and being able to play 13 as well is a valuable trait.



  • With Reece and Bridge probably securing a seat for Japan, and with the likes of Leicester Fainganuuku and Will Jordan looming, the All Blacks will have plenty of options in the wings. That is why I'd like Rieko Ioane to become a centre as Goodhue will likely play most of his games for the Crusaders next year as a 2nd five in order to let the 13 jersey to Ennor. A backline like this one could be deadly : B. Barrett - Reece - Ioane - Goodhue (or ALB) - Bridge - Mounga.



  • @cgrant again with the Goodhue to 12 nonsense. Do you hate him? He's a brilliant centre. Outstanding, looking like following in Connie's footsteps. But sure put him at 12 to accommodate a guy who is an excellent winger.

    Why wouldn't you just put Ennor at 12 if he's such a good midfielder?



  • 2020 looking exciting: lots of good Props, all the Hookers re-signed, Whitelock and Cane available as captains, a plethora of backline talent.

    Two major areas for development:

    1. The lineout. With Retallick and Read unavailable and Whitelock probably needing a rest after the Japanese season, the lineout will need reconstruction.

    2. Who plays 8? If it is Ardie then who plays 6?



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  • @cgrant said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:

    With Reece and Bridge probably securing a seat for Japan, and with the likes of Leicester Fainganuuku and Will Jordan looming, the All Blacks will have plenty of options in the wings. That is why I'd like Rieko Ioane to become a centre as Goodhue will likely play most of his games for the Crusaders next year as a 2nd five in order to let the 13 jersey to Ennor. A backline like this one could be deadly : B. Barrett - Reece - Ioane - Goodhue (or ALB) - Bridge - Mounga.

    You're already on the Blues coaching staff, Tana

    Edit: but seriously, it's possible in the future. Short term I think we just let him concentrate on getting back to being the best winger in the world



  • @cgrant

    Think Goodhue is more of a classic 13 in the shape of Conrad Smith than a 12.

    Wouldn't be surprised to see Laumape developing his skills a la Nonu and partnering him long term. He might not make the RWC2019 cut but he gets excellent reviews from the TWM on his attitude and work ethic and the def. think he has a future in Black.

    I'm not convinced that Alby is a 12 right now and seems to play his best games at 13



  • Always difficult to pick future teams, form fluctuations, and as we see so often in Nz , freak talent emerges from nowhere and we ( or I do based overseas ) think where did this guy come from.

    Iโ€™d be inclined to leave goodhue at 13, agree with the thoughts, natural 13s are difficult to find .



  • Danny Toala for the 12 jersey. You heard it here first! ๐Ÿ˜‡



  • @Stargazer said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:

    Danny Toala for the 12 jersey. You heard it here first! ๐Ÿ˜‡

    Can Jonah Lowe not cover 12?



  • @Higgins If you put the word "Mฤori" before "All Blacks", then the answer to your question might be 'yes', although I've never seen him play at 12. He has to stay in one piece first, though.



  • @Bones said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:

    @cgrant again with the Goodhue to 12 nonsense. Do you hate him? He's a brilliant centre. Outstanding, looking like following in Connie's footsteps. But sure put him at 12 to accommodate a guy who is an excellent winger.

    Why wouldn't you just put Ennor at 12 if he's such a good midfielder?

    It is just because Robertson has used this combo this year and with Jordan, Fainganuuku, Bridge, Reece and Mateale in his squad, I guess he will play Ennor in midfield, with the 13 jersey. This is not my wish, it's a guess. BTW, Goodhue has played very well a few times as a 2nd Five for Northland.



  • @cgrant James Blackwell is VG at lock in the NPC.



  • I just meant he was familiar with this position.



  • @Bones said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:

    @cgrant James Blackwell is VG at lock in the NPC.

    He goes ok for Petone as well if that is a further endorsement.



  • @Higgins said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:

    @Bones said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:

    @cgrant James Blackwell is VG at lock in the NPC.

    He goes ok for Petone as well if that is a further endorsement.

    Well in that case, Cam Incledon strikes me as a bloody good utility for the RWC squad.



  • Possible All Blacks extended squad 2020

    Loosehead props: Joe Moody, Karl Tu'inukuafe, Atu Moli
    Tighthead props: Nepo Laulala, Tyrel Lomax, Ofa Tu'ungafasi, Angus Ta'avao
    Hookers: Dane Coles, Codie Taylor, Liam Coltman, Nathan Harris,
    Locks: Sam Whitelock, Patrick Tuipulotu, Scott Barrett, Pari Pari Parkinson. (Perhaps Isaia Walker-Leawere or Quinten Strange)
    Back Row: Luke Jacobson, Vaea Fifita, Dalton Papalii, Shannon Frizzell (has he re-signed?), Sam Cane, Ardie Savea, Akira Ioane, Blake Gibson
    Half Backs: TJP, Aaron Smith, Brad Weber
    First Fives: Richie Mo'unga, Beauden Barrett, Josh Ioane
    Midfield: Ngani Laumape, Josh Goodhue, Anton Leinert-Brown, Reiko Ioane,
    Back Three (some of these will play Olympic 7s): Sevu Reece, George Bridge, Jordie Barrett, Damian McKenzie,Will Jordan, Braydon Ennor, Leicester Fainga'anuku, David Havili, Caleb Clarke, Josh McKay

    Bound to be others I didn't think about or don't know about.



  • @sparky said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:

    Possible All Blacks extended squad 2020

    Loosehead props: Joe Moody, Karl Tu'inukuafe, Atu Moli
    Tighthead props: Nepo Laulala, Tyrel Lomax, Ofa Tu'ungafasi, Angus Ta'avao
    Hookers: Dane Coles, Codie Taylor, Liam Coltman, Nathan Harris,
    Locks: Sam Whitelock, Patrick Tuipulotu, Scott Barrett, Pari Pari Parkinson. (Perhaps Isaia Walker-Leawere or Quinten Strange)
    Back Row: Luke Jacobson, Vaea Fifita, Dalton Papalii, Shannon Frizzell (has he re-signed?), Sam Cane, Ardie Savea, Akira Ioane, Blake Gibson
    Half Backs: TJP, Aaron Smith, Brad Weber
    First Fives: Richie Mo'unga, Beauden Barrett, Josh Ioane
    Midfield: Ngani Laumape, Josh Goodhue, Anton Leinert-Brown, Reiko Ioane,
    Back Three (some of these will play Olympic 7s): Sevu Reece, George Bridge, Jordie Barrett, Damian McKenzie,Will Jordan, Braydon Ennor, Leicester Fainga'anuku, David Havili, Caleb Clarke, Josh McKay

    Bound to be others I didn't think about or don't know about.

    Hard not to recognise how much BBBR will be missed!



  • @sparky Alex Nankivell is worth watching as a midfield option - he's become a very good player over the past 12 months.


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