Big Red for 6 Black?



  • Robinson to be a bolter for All Black squad?
    The freh-faced kid has played well enough to be in contention, especially if he keeps it up until the pointy end of SR.
    I like the following about him
    Mobility
    Good hands
    Excellent link play
    High workrate
    Tackling machine
    Thinks on his feet
    Dynamic and committed
    Mouthy git

    We've looked for an enforcer type since Kaino retired, and none of the incumbents Squire, Frizzle, or the lock/6 options of Hemopo/Barrett - in my view have ticked all the boxes.
    Robinson has the motor and determination to go all the way.



  • @Jailbreak7 said in Big Red for 6 Black?:

    Robinson has the motor and determination to go all the way.

    Yes, but not this year. It's his first year of pro rugby - by September he'll be running on fumes. Good player, big upside, but I can't see a forward busting into the squad in their first year of pro rugby



  • @nzzp Karl says hi?



  • Not close unless thereโ€™s an affirmative action agenda for redheads.



  • Lets see how he goes in Blues big games vs Hurricanes (R13). Crusaders (R15) Bulls (R16) Hurricanes again (R18) - especially as thats the pointy end of the season, and they may well be in play-off contention needing wins.

    Don't the selectors tend to put more stock in play-off games or those with the play-off intensity? (which these games should have)

    He looks the goods though a?



  • @nzzp said in Big Red for 6 Black?:

    @Jailbreak7 said in Big Red for 6 Black?:

    Robinson has the motor and determination to go all the way.

    Yes, but not this year. It's his first year of pro rugby - by September he'll be running on fumes. Good player, big upside, but I can't see a forward busting into the squad in their first year of pro rugby

    Dunno, if his body holds out injury-wise, I doubt that will be an issue.

    I'd be surprised if he did make the ABs this year (also disappointed meaning Northland wont get his services ๐Ÿ˜‰ ) but stranger things have happened and if he did make it, it will mean he has carried on his form and as such will be deserving of being a huge bolter.



  • Iโ€™ll be surprised if he doesnโ€™t see a black shirt at some stage.

    Equally, Iโ€™ll be surprised if he sees it this year.



  • What are the odds that he gets picked before Akira?

    After seeing guys like Frizzel picked..I wouldn't write it off..



  • Thatโ€™s a no from me for purely selfish reasons..need him for the Mitre 10 Cup ..



  • Dalton and Karl got picked after one season, so itโ€™s possible especially considering the lack of options at six. But it would be a surprise.



  • @Kirwan said in Big Red for 6 Black?:

    Dalton and Karl got picked after one season, so itโ€™s possible especially considering the lack of options at six. But it would be a surprise.

    Karl was injury forced

    Dalton was in trial on the nh tour. For the RWC forwards I can't see them going past people with plenty of experience.

    Possible, but I'd be really surprised. Outside backs are easier to integrate. Also, I suspect they have plans for Akira before Tom.

    Great time to be a blues fan...๐Ÿ˜€



  • @nzzp yeah was meaning in a large squad pick, not as a starter.

    Iโ€™d rather they moved Read to six since he now plays like Kaino used to. Would leave space for a free running number eight, like Read used to be....



  • @nzzp Great time to be a blues fan...๐Ÿ˜€

    First time I've seen that on the fern for years! Without a sarcastic tone that is.

    Good on ya, it's a nice feeling when the rain finally stops๐Ÿ™‚



  • @Siam said in Big Red for 6 Black?:

    @nzzp Great time to be a blues fan...๐Ÿ˜€

    First time I've seen that on the fern for years! Without a sarcastic tone that is.

    Good on ya, it's a nice feeling when the rain finally stops๐Ÿ™‚

    Actually, we're seeing the team on an upswing. Still a long way to go, but we're on our way, and I feel far more optimistic than I have for years. The board, the coach and the playing group are starting to deliver. Good to see. Arguing about how good a rookie will be is a discussion we haven't had a lot of over the last few years.

    The drought:alt text



  • Who?



  • I watched the replay and followed Big Red (very easy to spot)
    By god he went hard out for the whole game.
    Very physical.
    Him at 6, then Read switching to 6 for Akira Ioane to come on at 8 for the last 25-30. Sounds good to me.



  • @Frank said in Big Red for 6 Black?:

    I watched the replay and followed Big Red (very easy to spot)
    By god he went hard out for the whole game.
    Very physical.
    Him at 6, then Read switching to 6 for Akira Ioane to come on at 8 for the last 25-30. Sounds good to me.

    Fark,I just barred up



  • @Frank said in Big Red for 6 Black?:

    I watched the replay and followed Big Red (very easy to spot)
    By god he went hard out for the whole game.
    Very physical.
    Him at 6, then Read switching to 6 for Akira Ioane to come on at 8 for the last 25-30. Sounds good to me.

    Two rookie loosies in the 23, GULP!

    And if Read gets injured in the first 5 minutes we play 75 with them.

    Would rather one at a time...



  • @Kirwan said in Big Red for 6 Black?:

    @nzzp yeah was meaning in a large squad pick, not as a starter.

    Iโ€™d rather they moved Read to six since he now plays like Kaino used to. Would leave space for a free running number eight, like Read used to be....

    Yep, Read to 6, Akira to 8. Scott Barrett and Shannon Frizell as back up blindsides. Then Big Red. I wouldn't bother with Liam Squire unless he can regain his form and fitness of 2016.



  • @ACT-Crusader
    Agreed. A risk.
    I also feel we might need some points of difference for the World Cup. We looked bloody predictable at times last year.
    Akira (and perhaps Patty T as an impact lock) as an impact loosie are real points of difference. (admittedly, it could go wrong)



  • He's playing well, but I'm very reluctant to throw up rookie players as being ready for All Black selection so early into the SR season. The professional Rugby calendar is a marathon, not a sprint. Let's see how he's performing later in the year in the Mitre 10 Cup before we ordain him as being our next All Black no.6? I know Karl Tu'inukuafe made the All Blacks and performed well in his debut SR season, but that's extremely rare and definitely not the 'norm'.



  • @Cantab79 said in Big Red for 6 Black?:
    I know Karl Tu'inukuafe made the All Blacks and performed well in his debut SR season, but that's extremely rare and definitely not the 'norm'.

    I agree it probably won't happen, and, yes, it is too early, but fuck it speculation is fun.

    Nehe Milner-Skudder, Brodie Retallick, Sam Whitelock, Christian Cullen, Conrad Smith and Owen Franks played, and played well for the ABs in their debut Super seasons.

    There are probably many others I haven't thought of.



  • @Cantab79 tbf, IF he is to be a bolter, he wont be playing M10 Cup later this year.



  • @Frank said in Big Red for 6 Black?:

    @Cantab79 said in Big Red for 6 Black?:
    I know Karl Tu'inukuafe made the All Blacks and performed well in his debut SR season, but that's extremely rare and definitely not the 'norm'.

    I agree it probably won't happen, and, yes, it is too early, but fuck it speculation is fun.

    Nehe Milner-Skudder, Brodie Retallick, Sam Whitelock, Christian Cullen, Conrad Smith and Owen Franks played, and played well for the ABs in their debut Super seasons.

    There are probably many others I haven't thought of.

    @Frank said in Big Red for 6 Black?:

    @Cantab79 said in Big Red for 6 Black?:
    I know Karl Tu'inukuafe made the All Blacks and performed well in his debut SR season, but that's extremely rare and definitely not the 'norm'.

    I agree it probably won't happen, and, yes, it is too early, but fuck it speculation is fun.

    Nehe Milner-Skudder, Brodie Retallick, Sam Whitelock, Christian Cullen, Conrad Smith and Owen Franks played, and played well for the ABs in their debut Super seasons.

    There are probably many others I haven't thought of.

    I think quite a few guys made their Super Rugby debuts when he did.



  • @taniwharugby
    You're right my comment wasn't worded well. The point I was trying to make was that it's extremely hard for any player, let alone a rookie, to maintain excellent form from February to October, whether they end the season playing provincial Rugby or for the All Blacks. It's not unusual for rookie players to start the Super Rugby season really well, but then fizzle out as the season progresses.



  • If youโ€™re good enough, youโ€™re good enough.

    Why do all 15 need to be seasoned experienced players?

    Bit of raw talent in amongst is perfect, no?



  • @MajorRage
    Sure, but early season form is also often misleading. It favours players who have great off seasons and pre-seasons. And early season form is oftehn not sustained. For example this time last year Ben Lam was been talked up as an All Black winger.



  • @nzzp said in Big Red for 6 Black?:

    @Siam said in Big Red for 6 Black?:

    @nzzp Great time to be a blues fan...๐Ÿ˜€

    First time I've seen that on the fern for years! Without a sarcastic tone that is.

    Good on ya, it's a nice feeling when the rain finally stops๐Ÿ™‚

    Actually, we're seeing the team on an upswing. Still a long way to go, but we're on our way, and I feel far more optimistic than I have for years. The board, the coach and the playing group are starting to deliver. Good to see. Arguing about how good a rookie will be is a discussion we haven't had a lot of over the last few years.

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    Yeah because no one has ever heard of Gibson, Papalii, hell Perofeta was even dubbed Perofuture.



  • @Frank said in Big Red for 6 Black?:

    Nehe Milner-Skudder, Brodie Retallick, Sam Whitelock, Christian Cullen, Conrad Smith and Owen Franks played, and played well for the ABs in their debut Super seasons.

    Richie McCaw was so good he got picked before he played Super!

    9 Nov 2001:
    England-based Kronfeld said after the team were named that All Black jerseys were being handed out too easily.

    "It seems incredible to me that they so easily can put No 7s in ... now they've got a guy off one NPC season," said Kronfeld, once regarded as the world's best openside flanker.



  • Posted this a day early Jailbreak! No Northland quota in the AB set up. I've been quietly surprised by Robinson as he looked completely out of his depth on debut but has actually held his own in the last couple of fixtures. Still very much the third banana of that back row though Dalton and Akira both look ready for AB starting gigs next year and have a role to play this season too.



  • @rotated said in Big Red for 6 Black?:

    Posted this a day early Jailbreak! No Northland quota in the AB set up. I've been quietly surprised by Robinson as he looked completely out of his depth on debut but has actually held his own in the last couple of fixtures. Still very much the third banana of that back row though Dalton and Akira both look ready for AB starting gigs next year and have a role to play this season too.

    It's a lot easier to look good as a loosie if the fatties are working hard too. Just a bit more space to range out wide, rather than getting caught around the ruck tackling



  • @Bones said in Big Red for 6 Black?:

    @nzzp said in Big Red for 6 Black?:

    @Siam said in Big Red for 6 Black?:

    @nzzp Great time to be a blues fan...๐Ÿ˜€

    First time I've seen that on the fern for years! Without a sarcastic tone that is.

    Good on ya, it's a nice feeling when the rain finally stops๐Ÿ™‚

    Actually, we're seeing the team on an upswing. Still a long way to go, but we're on our way, and I feel far more optimistic than I have for years. The board, the coach and the playing group are starting to deliver. Good to see. Arguing about how good a rookie will be is a discussion we haven't had a lot of over the last few years.

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    Yeah because no one has ever heard of Gibson, Papalii, hell Perofeta was even dubbed Perofuture.

    Perofuture is his nickname from the players and refers to the Blues not the All Blacks.



  • Dunno.

    But that new AB training jersey sure is nice.



  • @nzzp said in Big Red for 6 Black?:

    @Frank said in Big Red for 6 Black?:

    Nehe Milner-Skudder, Brodie Retallick, Sam Whitelock, Christian Cullen, Conrad Smith and Owen Franks played, and played well for the ABs in their debut Super seasons.

    Richie McCaw was so good he got picked before he played Super!

    9 Nov 2001:
    England-based Kronfeld said after the team were named that All Black jerseys were being handed out too easily.

    "It seems incredible to me that they so easily can put No 7s in ... now they've got a guy off one NPC season," said Kronfeld, once regarded as the world's best openside flanker.

    Nah just more Cantab bias



  • @ACT-Crusader said in Big Red for 6 Black?:

    @nzzp said in Big Red for 6 Black?:

    @Frank said in Big Red for 6 Black?:

    Nehe Milner-Skudder, Brodie Retallick, Sam Whitelock, Christian Cullen, Conrad Smith and Owen Franks played, and played well for the ABs in their debut Super seasons.

    Richie McCaw was so good he got picked before he played Super!

    9 Nov 2001:
    England-based Kronfeld said after the team were named that All Black jerseys were being handed out too easily.

    "It seems incredible to me that they so easily can put No 7s in ... now they've got a guy off one NPC season," said Kronfeld, once regarded as the world's best openside flanker.

    Nah just more Cantab bias

    For every McCaw you've gotta go through a few Broomhalls



  • @Kirwan said in Big Red for 6 Black?:

    @Bones said in Big Red for 6 Black?:

    @nzzp said in Big Red for 6 Black?:

    @Siam said in Big Red for 6 Black?:

    @nzzp Great time to be a blues fan...๐Ÿ˜€

    First time I've seen that on the fern for years! Without a sarcastic tone that is.

    Good on ya, it's a nice feeling when the rain finally stops๐Ÿ™‚

    Actually, we're seeing the team on an upswing. Still a long way to go, but we're on our way, and I feel far more optimistic than I have for years. The board, the coach and the playing group are starting to deliver. Good to see. Arguing about how good a rookie will be is a discussion we haven't had a lot of over the last few years.

    alt text

    Yeah because no one has ever heard of Gibson, Papalii, hell Perofeta was even dubbed Perofuture.

    Perofuture is his nickname from the players and refers to the Blues not the All Blacks.

    I'm not sure what you're trying to say?



  • Well one difference is Robinson is actually playing as a rookie instead of either being injured or stuck behind some journeyman like so many Blues rookies in the past. Touch wood it continues.



  • @Bones said in Big Red for 6 Black?:

    @Kirwan said in Big Red for 6 Black?:

    @Bones said in Big Red for 6 Black?:

    @nzzp said in Big Red for 6 Black?:

    @Siam said in Big Red for 6 Black?:

    @nzzp Great time to be a blues fan...๐Ÿ˜€

    First time I've seen that on the fern for years! Without a sarcastic tone that is.

    Good on ya, it's a nice feeling when the rain finally stops๐Ÿ™‚

    Actually, we're seeing the team on an upswing. Still a long way to go, but we're on our way, and I feel far more optimistic than I have for years. The board, the coach and the playing group are starting to deliver. Good to see. Arguing about how good a rookie will be is a discussion we haven't had a lot of over the last few years.

    alt text

    Yeah because no one has ever heard of Gibson, Papalii, hell Perofeta was even dubbed Perofuture.

    Perofuture is his nickname from the players and refers to the Blues not the All Blacks.

    I'm not sure what you're trying to say?

    He's saying "Perofuture is his nickname from the players and refers to the Blues not the All Blacks"



  • @Cantab79 said in Big Red for 6 Black?:

    @MajorRage
    Sure, but early season form is also often misleading. It favours players who have great off seasons and pre-seasons. And early season form is oftehn not sustained. For example this time last year Ben Lam was been talked up as an All Black winger.

    Agree. But saying he shouldn't play for the AB's this year now as he's only a rookie and it's a WC year, is equally is as ludicrous in my view.



  • @Bones said in Big Red for 6 Black?:

    @Kirwan said in Big Red for 6 Black?:

    @Bones said in Big Red for 6 Black?:

    @nzzp said in Big Red for 6 Black?:

    @Siam said in Big Red for 6 Black?:

    @nzzp Great time to be a blues fan...๐Ÿ˜€

    First time I've seen that on the fern for years! Without a sarcastic tone that is.

    Good on ya, it's a nice feeling when the rain finally stops๐Ÿ™‚

    Actually, we're seeing the team on an upswing. Still a long way to go, but we're on our way, and I feel far more optimistic than I have for years. The board, the coach and the playing group are starting to deliver. Good to see. Arguing about how good a rookie will be is a discussion we haven't had a lot of over the last few years.

    alt text

    Yeah because no one has ever heard of Gibson, Papalii, hell Perofeta was even dubbed Perofuture.

    Perofuture is his nickname from the players and refers to the Blues not the All Blacks.

    I'm not sure what you're trying to say?

    I figured you were talking about hype from posters here about the players.


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