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Not a bad answer from DCE.
Asked after the match about the changing nature of the sporting landscape and whether codes would be promoting more off-field messages in future, Manly captain Daly Cherry-Evans issued a warning to NRL bosses and clubs about trying to “make” players promote certain causes.
“I’d like to answer that. As a player I think we need to be really careful about how much we push onto the players to commercialise the game,” he said.
“If you look at a dressing room as an NRL squad, it is very diverse and it is very inclusive so I just wonder how much we need to do as athletes, I guess, to push out there.
“Because we already are a lot of things of what we’re trying to represent and what the club tries to make you represent. At some stage we have to understand that sport is pretty inclusive. It’s not perfect and it does have boundaries but I know from my time in the game it does represent a lot of the things we’re talking about tonight.
“But unfortunately when people get put in a position to have to do something they don’t want to do, then I think that’s when you see positions like tonight.”
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DCE has had a very very good couple of weeks as a leader for a couple of different reasons
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Stick a fork in it. Beeb will be upset. Everybody else, I suspect, not so much.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62387030
“[C]aptains admitted the gesture had lost its gravitas”
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@Kid-Chocolate but it's achieved so much!
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@Magpie_in_aus said in Campbell Johnstone:
the player's potential worry within a team environment to come out.
well, if australia is any indication, "christian" pacific islanders don't like it much
but hey, it's not like there are many of those in rugby...
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@mariner4life yeah....but of you're not religous you still have to respect and accept their religous practices (pryaing after a game etc).
I think players will need to take a step forward in accepting others for who they are and what they believe.
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@OleOleOle said in Campbell Johnstone:
I think
playerspeople will need to take a step forward in accepting others for who they are and what they believeFixed it.
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@mariner4life said in Campbell Johnstone:
@Magpie_in_aus said in Campbell Johnstone:
the player's potential worry within a team environment to come out.
well, if australia is any indication, "christian" pacific islanders don't like it much
but hey, it's not like there are many of those in rugby...
I think there's a profound difference between accepting and being forced to celebrate.
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@antipodean said in Campbell Johnstone:
@mariner4life said in Campbell Johnstone:
@Magpie_in_aus said in Campbell Johnstone:
the player's potential worry within a team environment to come out.
well, if australia is any indication, "christian" pacific islanders don't like it much
but hey, it's not like there are many of those in rugby...
I think there's a profound difference between accepting and being forced to celebrate.
and i disagree
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@mariner4life said in Campbell Johnstone:
@antipodean said in Campbell Johnstone:
@mariner4life said in Campbell Johnstone:
@Magpie_in_aus said in Campbell Johnstone:
the player's potential worry within a team environment to come out.
well, if australia is any indication, "christian" pacific islanders don't like it much
but hey, it's not like there are many of those in rugby...
I think there's a profound difference between accepting and being forced to celebrate.
and i disagree
If I'm prepared to let people live their best lives, I don't see why I should have to participate in it to the extent others determine. Surely that's for me to decide? Or do we have to climb on the float next year as well?
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@antipodean said in Campbell Johnstone:
@mariner4life said in Campbell Johnstone:
@antipodean said in Campbell Johnstone:
@mariner4life said in Campbell Johnstone:
@Magpie_in_aus said in Campbell Johnstone:
the player's potential worry within a team environment to come out.
well, if australia is any indication, "christian" pacific islanders don't like it much
but hey, it's not like there are many of those in rugby...
I think there's a profound difference between accepting and being forced to celebrate.
and i disagree
If I'm prepared to let people live their best lives, I don't see why I should have to participate in it to the extent others determine. Surely that's for me to decide? Or do we have to climb on the float next year as well?
i knew this is where we would end up
last post on it, it's been done to death. If players were forced to go on the Manly float in teh parade then that's maybe a bit over the top
If players were handed a jersey with small rainbows instead of skinny white stripes, then maybe that's not such a big fucking deal.
The Taipans just went through the same thing because 3 players (and i have a pretty good idea which 3) wouldn't wear one that had a slightly different coloured fucking Champion symbol. The champion symbol is the size of a 50c piece. That doesn't seem very fucking accepting.
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@mariner4life so we merely have a different opinion on where the line is. Like almost everyone else on Earth.
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@OleOleOle I dont think any of those guys would have a problem playing alongside a gay dude. they simply dont want to represent via jerseys etc etc.
Christian conservatives simply view them as sinners, much like many other things.
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@muddyriver said in Campbell Johnstone:
@OleOleOle I dont think any of those guys would have a problem playing alongside a gay dude. they simply dont want to represent via jerseys etc etc.
That's my experience at a church school.
The Polynesian kids really don't care about your sexual choices, if you don't force it. They strongly dislike being told that what they believe is wrong and that they be forced to wear a symbol to say that.
If people want to be Marxists, I won't stop them. If my workplace made me wear a hammer and sickle emblem, I'd be getting a new job.
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@Chester-Draws said in Campbell Johnstone:
If people want to be Marxists,
Surely you can see the problem with your analogy?
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@mariner4life said in Campbell Johnstone:
@antipodean said in Campbell Johnstone:
@mariner4life said in Campbell Johnstone:
@antipodean said in Campbell Johnstone:
@mariner4life said in Campbell Johnstone:
@Magpie_in_aus said in Campbell Johnstone:
the player's potential worry within a team environment to come out.
well, if australia is any indication, "christian" pacific islanders don't like it much
but hey, it's not like there are many of those in rugby...
I think there's a profound difference between accepting and being forced to celebrate.
and i disagree
If I'm prepared to let people live their best lives, I don't see why I should have to participate in it to the extent others determine. Surely that's for me to decide? Or do we have to climb on the float next year as well?
i knew this is where we would end up
last post on it, it's been done to death. If players were forced to go on the Manly float in teh parade then that's maybe a bit over the top
If players were handed a jersey with small rainbows instead of skinny white stripes, then maybe that's not such a big fucking deal.
The Taipans just went through the same thing because 3 players (and i have a pretty good idea which 3) wouldn't wear one that had a slightly different coloured fucking Champion symbol. The champion symbol is the size of a 50c piece. That doesn't seem very fucking accepting.
I see your point on that, but it does cross an important line between being accepting of other people, and actively participating in and celebrating them. It's a very small step, granted, but once that line is crossed it becomes very grey as to how much they are expected to participate in it is. So while I pretty strongly disagree with pretty much all of the religious views of players like that, I completely understand why they would take a stand on it. I really don't think forcing people to celebrate the LGBT community is having a positive effect on views towards them.
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@Nepia said in Campbell Johnstone:
@Chester-Draws said in Campbell Johnstone:
If people want to be Marxists,
Surely you can see the problem with your analogy?
I'm not suggesting that people choose to be gay. I just wanted an analogy that avoided the white heat that sexuality brings, especially in the world at the moment where even the slightest criticism of any sexual behaviour is read as some sort of "phobia".
I have no interest in a workplace that makes me celebrate anything I am opposed to morally. In my case Hammers and Sickles would trigger that.
Whereas I would just be irritated by rainbows because they have now just become tedious virtue symbols. (See BMW putting rainbows on their Twitter accounts, except in the Middle East, because they actually don't have any moral courage at all.)
You are welcome to find a better analogy.
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@No-Quarter said in Campbell Johnstone:
I see your point on that, but it does cross an important line between being accepting of other people, and actively participating in and celebrating them. It's a very small step, granted, but once that line is crossed it becomes very grey as to how much they are expected to participate in it is. So while I pretty strongly disagree with pretty much all of the religious views of players like that, I completely understand why they would take a stand on it. I really don't think forcing people to celebrate the LGBT community is having a positive effect on views towards them.
When gay rights first became an issue, the refrain was "we just want equality". As it gained weight, some conservatives suggested mockingly that it would soon become compulsory. They were scoffed at, and said, no, "they just deserve equality".
Well we have reached a point where it is often effectively compulsory to celebrate gayness. We are only one step off what the conservatives mocked and which their opponents said would never happen.
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@Chester-Draws I don't think it's about celebrating gayness at all. Those rainbow jerseys are about celebrating inclusivity.
Sports requiring athletes to support cultural positions