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    • Siam
      Siam last edited by Duluth

      Was thinking about league greats.

      Thought we could spit ball some players and refine to a 13 or 17

      1 Kemble, RTS,
      2 Dane Ohara, Sean Hoppe , Vatuvei
      3 James Leulawue (sp) Ruben Wiki, McCracken, Blackmore, Dean Bell
      4 Kev Iro, Fred Ah Kuoi
      5 help...
      6 Olsen Filapaina, Benji, Gene Ngamu
      7 Clayton Friend, Gary Freeman, Stacey, Johnson
      8 Kev Tamati, Waewera Hargreves, Brent Todd, Quentin Pongia
      9 Howie Tamati, Isaac Luke,
      10 John Lomax,
      11 help
      12 Mark Graham
      13 Tawera Nikau

      As you can see I have retrograde amnesia.
      Would love to be reminded of the names I've missed

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      • KiwiMurph
        KiwiMurph last edited by

        Vatuvei played a lot more at 5 than 2.

        SBW at 11?

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        • Bones
          Bones @Siam last edited by

          @Siam the other Iro, the Paul's, Lauitiiti...

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          • Duluth
            Duluth last edited by

            Ridge

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            • booboo
              booboo @Siam last edited by

              @Siam said in All time kiwi league team:

              3 James Leulawue (sp)

              Lew Ah Lie

              Ask Darryl Eastlake

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              • booboo
                booboo @Siam last edited by

                @Siam said in All time kiwi league team:

                Was thinking about league greats.

                Thought we could spit ball some players and refine to a 13 or 17

                1 Kemble, RTS,
                2 Dane Ohara, Sean Hoppe , Vatuvei
                3 James Leulawue (sp) Ruben Wiki, McCracken, Blackmore, Dean Bell
                4 Kev Iro, Fred Ah Kuoi
                5 help...
                6 Olsen Filapaina, Benji, Gene Ngamu
                7 Clayton Friend, Gary Freeman, Stacey, Johnson
                8 Kev Tamati, Waewera Hargreves, Brent Todd, Quentin Pongia
                9 Howie Tamati, Isaac Luke,
                10 John Lomax,
                11 help
                12 Mark Graham
                13 Tawera Nikau

                As you can see I have retrograde amnesia.
                Would love to be reminded of the names I've missed

                11 Kurt Sorensen ?

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                • Siam
                  Siam @booboo last edited by

                  @booboo Dane was handy too

                  Ridge
                  Halligan

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                  • canefan
                    canefan last edited by

                    Reuben Wiki could play 11. Or anywhere in the forward pack

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                    • Nepia
                      Nepia last edited by

                      Taumalolo and Bromwich (definitely over JWH) are surely in the frame of the modern players. I know the rule is to hate on Blair now but he had a long Kiwi career back when he was good. Roy Asotasi another prop option.

                      Hugh McGahan and Jeremy Smith for lock. Mannering and Kearney (the player) for the second row.

                      To put the best team on the field Bell or Iro could go to wing I guess.

                      Foran as a 6 option - ahead of Ngamu I reckon on the rankings.

                      Richie Barnett for the wing.

                      I wonder if there are any oldies on here that can name the 50s and 60s big names?

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                      • Sneakdefreak
                        Sneakdefreak last edited by Sneakdefreak

                        My all-time Kiwis squad would probably be:

                        1 Matthew Ridge 2. Roger Tuivasa-Sheck 3. Dean Bell 4. Nigel Vagana 5. Manu Vatuvei 6. Gary Freeman 7. Stacey Jones 8. Quentin Pongia 9. Jock Butterfield 10. Maunga Emery 11. Sonny Bill Williams 12. Mark Graham 13. Simon Mannering
                        Bench: 14. Lance Hohaia 15. Kevin Tamati 16. Rueben Wiki 17. Ali Lauiti'iti

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                        • Nepia
                          Nepia @Sneakdefreak last edited by

                          @Sneakdefreak said in All time kiwi league team:

                          My all-time Kiwis squad would probably be:

                          1 Matthew Ridge 2. Roger Tuivasa-Sheck 3. Dean Bell 4. Nigel Vagana 5. Manu Vatuvei 6. Gary Freeman 7. Stacey Jones 8. Quentin Pongia 9. Jock Butterfield 10. Maunga Emery 11. Sonny Bill Williams 12. Mark Graham 13. Simon Mannering
                          Bench: 14. Lance Hohaia 15. Kevin Tamati 16. Rueben Wiki 17. Ali Lauiti'iti

                          Mine would smash yours - when I come up with it (I'll only pick players I've seen play Koro Sneak 😉 ).

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                          • Sneakdefreak
                            Sneakdefreak @Nepia last edited by

                            @Nepia Maunga Emery was Stacey Jones' grandfather. Him, Jock Butterfield (who I think was nick-named "The Sleepy Fox") and Sam Edwards were the toughest son-of-a-bitch front row in Kiwis league history. Jock has played the most matches for the Kiwis (I think).

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                            • Nepia
                              Nepia @Sneakdefreak last edited by

                              @Sneakdefreak said in All time kiwi league team:

                              @Nepia Maunga Emery was Stacey Jones' grandfather. Him, Jock Butterfield (who I think was nick-named "The Sleepy Fox") and Sam Edwards were the toughest son-of-a-bitch front row in Kiwis league history. Jock has played the most matches for the Kiwis (I think).

                              I know who they are, but obviously never saw them play. If it was based on any era then Nepia, Bert Cooke and Karl Ifwersen would make my team. Two former Magpies and all three ABs and if you read about Ifwersen he was supposedly a god on the field.

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                              • kiwiinmelb
                                kiwiinmelb last edited by

                                We have had some great players , I go back a bit more than most here I imagine ,

                                I grew up down at carlaw park ,

                                here are a couple of guns I saw play as a kid ,

                                Roger Bailey , started as a centre , finished at 6 ,

                                he was our Wally Lewis , just had that ability to pull off the crucial play to win a game ,

                                Another that came after him , Dennis Williams , also a centre that finished as a 6 ,

                                Picked for the kiwis at 17 years old , scored with his first touch of the ball stepping through pommy tacklers , was that kind of magic player ,

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                                • Siam
                                  Siam @Nepia last edited by

                                  @Nepia that's what I was after thanks. I cringed with memory loss typing Gene friggin Ngamu!

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                                  • kiwiinmelb
                                    kiwiinmelb last edited by

                                    Another couple that would be hard to leave out would be the Sorenson brothers , Dane front row , kurt second row

                                    Both were considered the best in the world in their positions at the time ,

                                    they were the first players playing overseas to be selected for the kiwis , before that if you went overseas , ( not too many did ) you said goodbye to the kiwi jersey ,

                                    I tend to think the kiwi jersey meant more a lot back then , all our best players were playing at home, mostly for auckland clubs , ( gee that was a great comp back then, big crowds down at carlaw park every sunday for game of the round ) , and the pinnacle for them was kiwi selection

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                                    • Siam
                                      Siam last edited by

                                      Do we think that Mark Graham was the best? A pine tree type. Always grew up thinking that. Maybe Stacey surpassed?

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                                      • Siam
                                        Siam last edited by

                                        Graeme West from the old Wigan days

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                                        • canefan
                                          canefan last edited by

                                          Kevin Tamati gets an honourable mention

                                          For giving Greg Dowling a TASTE OF KIWI!!!!

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                                          • kiwiinmelb
                                            kiwiinmelb @Siam last edited by

                                            @Siam said in All time kiwi league team:

                                            Do we think that Mark Graham was the best? A pine tree type. Always grew up thinking that. Maybe Stacey surpassed?

                                            Mark graham was an absolute gun

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                                            • kiwiinmelb
                                              kiwiinmelb last edited by

                                              heres my team with a bit of open bias to some heroes from my childhood , but could easily pick others , way too many close calls

                                              1. RTS 2 . Dane O Hara 3. Dennis Williams 4, Nigel Vagana 5. Philip Orchard 6 , Roger Bailey 7 . Stacey Jones 8 . Dane Sorenson 9 . Tom Conroy 10. Mark Broadhurst 11, Kurt Sorenson 12 SBW 13 Mark Graham

                                              14 . Clayton friend 15 , Kevin Tamiti 16 . Roy Asotasi 17 Ali Lauititi

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                                              • booboo
                                                booboo last edited by

                                                I'm not a big league fan, no really, but a team of my favorites is (showing my age):

                                                1. Gary Kemble
                                                2. Tony Iro
                                                3. James Leuluai
                                                4. Fred Ah Kuoi
                                                5. Dane O'Hara
                                                6. Gary Freeman
                                                7. Stacy Jones
                                                8. Dane Sorensen
                                                9. Duane Mann
                                                10. Mark Broadhurst
                                                11. Kurt Sorensen
                                                12. Mark Graham
                                                13. Hugh McGahan

                                                Don't ask me about a bench... Kevin Iro somewhere there.

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                                                • Siam
                                                  Siam @booboo last edited by

                                                  @booboo we grew up on the same league I think boo.
                                                  Duane Mann, thank you. I knew there was another gun hooker

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                                                  • Nepia
                                                    Nepia last edited by

                                                    My team of only players I've seen play:

                                                    1. Mathew Ridge
                                                    2. Sean Hoppe
                                                    3. James Leuluai
                                                    4. Dean Bell (How is he not getting selected in more teams? 😲 )
                                                    5. Kevin Iro
                                                    6. Benji Marshall/Olsen Filipaina* (I actually can't pick between these two. I'm not a fan of Freeman at 6.)
                                                    7. Stacey Jones
                                                    8. Jesse Bromwich
                                                    9. Isaac Luke
                                                    10. Kevin Tamati
                                                    11. SBW
                                                    12. Mark Graham
                                                    13. Hugh McGahan

                                                    Bench: 14. Henry Paul, 15. Reuben Wiki, 16. Quentin Pongia, 17. Kurt Sorensen.

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                                                    • Salacious Crumb
                                                      Salacious Crumb @kiwiinmelb last edited by Salacious Crumb

                                                      @kiwiinmelb said in All time kiwi league team:

                                                      I grew up down at carlaw park...

                                                      Another that came after him , Dennis Williams , also a centre that finished as a 6 ,

                                                      Picked for the kiwis at 17 years old , scored with his first touch of the ball stepping through pommy tacklers , was that kind of magic player ,

                                                      Thank you. My first thought was Dennis Williams. Maybe ‘cos he was my fave League player, and then Olsen Filipaina.

                                                      And crikey, look at the condition of those paddocks back in the Seventies!!

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                                                        Virgil @kiwiinmelb last edited by

                                                        @kiwiinmelb said in All time kiwi league team:

                                                        @Siam said in All time kiwi league team:

                                                        Do we think that Mark Graham was the best? A pine tree type. Always grew up thinking that. Maybe Stacey surpassed?

                                                        Mark graham was an absolute gun

                                                        On a kiwis tour in the UK he broke his ankle, carried on playing till halftime. Then actually took the field at the start of the 2nd half before coming off.
                                                        Guy was the forerunner to Richie McCaw for hardness and putting his team ahead of himself.

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                                                        • dogmeat
                                                          dogmeat last edited by

                                                          Dally Messenger - just to piss the Ockers off

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                                                          • MN5
                                                            MN5 last edited by

                                                            No love for Clinton Toopi ?

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                                                            • Crazy Horse
                                                              Crazy Horse last edited by

                                                              Craig Innes? I know the Aussies rated him highly.

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                                                              • Smudge
                                                                Smudge last edited by Smudge

                                                                Brendon Tuuta, just for the Chatham Island shoutout.

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                                                                • kiwiinmelb
                                                                  kiwiinmelb @Virgil last edited by

                                                                  @Virgil said in All time kiwi league team:

                                                                  @kiwiinmelb said in All time kiwi league team:

                                                                  @Siam said in All time kiwi league team:

                                                                  Do we think that Mark Graham was the best? A pine tree type. Always grew up thinking that. Maybe Stacey surpassed?

                                                                  Mark graham was an absolute gun

                                                                  On a kiwis tour in the UK he broke his ankle, carried on playing till halftime. Then actually took the field at the start of the 2nd half before coming off.
                                                                  Guy was the forerunner to Richie McCaw for hardness and putting his team ahead of himself.

                                                                  I remember watching him break into first grade at Oatahuhu as a tall skinny back row forward , the Oatahuhu back row was international quality with himself , Owen Wright and Gary Prohm .

                                                                  The Oatahuhu coach was Lowe , when Lowe took up his first overseas coaching job at Brisbane , he took Graham with him , in his first game a fight broke out , some player came at Graham shaping up , so graham hit him and knocked him out , being a young kiwi bloke he didnt know alot about reputations in Aus . He knocked out Wally Lewis .

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                                                                  • kiwiinmelb
                                                                    kiwiinmelb @Salacious Crumb last edited by

                                                                    @Salacious-Crumb said in All time kiwi league team:

                                                                    @kiwiinmelb said in All time kiwi league team:

                                                                    I grew up down at carlaw park...

                                                                    Another that came after him , Dennis Williams , also a centre that finished as a 6 ,

                                                                    Picked for the kiwis at 17 years old , scored with his first touch of the ball stepping through pommy tacklers , was that kind of magic player ,

                                                                    Thank you. My first thought was Dennis Williams. Maybe ‘cos he was my fave League player, and then Olsen Filipaina.

                                                                    And crikey, look at the condition of those paddocks back in the Seventies!!

                                                                    I heard some time back Dennis Williams was not going so well ,
                                                                    had a car accident and lost his memory ,

                                                                    Was fine with the day to day stuff , but couldnt remember the past ,

                                                                    How tragic , imagine being a gun like that in your day , and you cant remember any of it .

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                                                                    • ACT Crusader
                                                                      ACT Crusader @MN5 last edited by

                                                                      @MN5 said in All time kiwi league team:

                                                                      No love for Clinton Toopi ?

                                                                      Not when there are 5-6 that are better. Toopi was a bit error prone.

                                                                      There’s no doubting that the Warriors era of Toopi, Fa’afili, Meli, Lauitiiti was damn good to watch.

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                                                                      • ACT Crusader
                                                                        ACT Crusader @Smudge last edited by

                                                                        @Smudge said in All time kiwi league team:

                                                                        Brendon Tuuta, just for the Chatham Island shoutout.

                                                                        That fella knew how to throw a punch!

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                                                                        • canefan
                                                                          canefan @ACT Crusader last edited by

                                                                          @ACT-Crusader said in All time kiwi league team:

                                                                          @Smudge said in All time kiwi league team:

                                                                          Brendon Tuuta, just for the Chatham Island shoutout.

                                                                          That fella knew how to throw a punch!

                                                                          I remember him being a total madman

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                                                                          • MN5
                                                                            MN5 @ACT Crusader last edited by

                                                                            @ACT-Crusader said in All time kiwi league team:

                                                                            @MN5 said in All time kiwi league team:

                                                                            No love for Clinton Toopi ?

                                                                            Not when there are 5-6 that are better. Toopi was a bit error prone.

                                                                            There’s no doubting that the Warriors era of Toopi, Fa’afili, Meli, Lauitiiti was damn good to watch.

                                                                            Fuck yeah. John Carlaw was a great "glue" man around them too. They captured the whole countries imagination back then, could things be any more different now though ?

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                                                                            • Bones
                                                                              Bones @MN5 last edited by

                                                                              @MN5 who?

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                                                                              • MN5
                                                                                MN5 @Bones last edited by

                                                                                @Bones said in All time kiwi league team:

                                                                                @MN5 who?

                                                                                John Carlaw - Wikipedia

                                                                                Read this is and try not to appear so naive next time.

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                                                                                • Bones
                                                                                  Bones @MN5 last edited by

                                                                                  @MN5 said in All time kiwi league team:

                                                                                  @Bones said in All time kiwi league team:

                                                                                  @MN5 who?

                                                                                  John Carlaw - Wikipedia

                                                                                  Read this is and try not to appear so naive next time.

                                                                                  Looks like he stuck around. I must have missed his handful of games.

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                                                                                  • MN5
                                                                                    MN5 @Bones last edited by

                                                                                    @Bones said in All time kiwi league team:

                                                                                    @MN5 said in All time kiwi league team:

                                                                                    @Bones said in All time kiwi league team:

                                                                                    @MN5 who?

                                                                                    John Carlaw - Wikipedia

                                                                                    Read this is and try not to appear so naive next time.

                                                                                    Looks like he stuck around. I must have missed his handful of games.

                                                                                    Yeah about two seasons worth which ironically was when I watched the Warriors the most.

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