Potential Positives to Look forward to



  • @antipodean I might write a piece about supply chain redundancy for an engineering publication. Any good case studies? I'm guessing most examples are from military procurement?



  • @Tim said in Potential Positives to Look forward to:

    @antipodean I might write a piece about supply chain redundancy for an engineering publication. Any good case studies? I'm guessing most examples are from military procurement?

    From what I can recall, there's almost no genuine redundancy in Defence procurement. Tenders are generally awarded to one winning bid who divide the deliverables amongst the parties. What they do tend to do is procure meaningful amounts and store them. Thankfully most of the equipment has a good shelf life.

    I think even ration pack production comes from numerous companies responsible for certain elements unless someone knows better.



  • saw an article on Stuff earlier where our MOH claimed they were confident we still hadnt had any community spread yet...not sure how they can be that confident though!

    INteresting chat with an Islander in the past couple of days, we were talking covid and got onto Kiwisaver and when I mentioned loads of people losing money, he thought it was because the Govt. was taking the money to pay for things in this crisis...I thought wow, really...

    turns out, he aint the only one

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/120439056/the-government-isnt-stealing-from-your-kiwisaver-account



  • People are that terrible at finance, sadly.



  • French and English unions have to buy out their bankrupt clubs. Finally control back in their hands and international rugby becomes the centrepiece. Wage pressure falls. NZ rugby players play their rugby in NZ.



  • @antipodean said in Potential Positives to Look forward to:

    How much are you prepared to give in additional tax revenue to do that? Serious question because what you're suggesting is not a trivial undertaking. Better I'd suggest to attempt an increased stockpile, but even then you can't predict what you're going to need...

    That’s an interesting question. But it’s a political one, not an economic one. In the longer run, by which in this case I mean longer than one electoral cycle, the costs of setting up sunk cost manufacturing may be dwarfed by the cost of having to carry an entire economy in times like this. How much additional tax is going to be paid to cover the $12.1bn that Robertson underwrote this week? And by whom, because it’s a fair bet some people’s jobs aren’t coming back after this.

    In my opinion a sensible government would sell that the need to insulate ourselves against future epidemic shocks is worth subsidising an onshore capability. But the temptation to dismantle it later would be strong, in the same way that it was all too easy to gut our military to save money.

    Unfortunately there aren’t really any free rides and being able to protect ourselves is an obligation. The fact it is expensive on a per capita basis is the price we pay for enjoying the benefits of a tiny, isolated population.

    Time to grow up, we need to decide what’s important to us, accept it costs money, and prioritise our spending. Put the Shane Jones slush fund towards it for a start.



  • @Salacious-Crumb said in Potential Positives to Look forward to:

    @canefan said in Potential Positives to Look forward to:

    I don't know what the odds are for a diabetic. I'd imagine if she is otherwise fit and healthy and not elderly she is pretty safe. Weak tickers and bad lungs along with general poor health are worse

    The CDC study of the first 44,000 in China put the mortality rate for diabetes at 7.4%. It’s right there with heart & lung disease. They don’t break down the difference(s) between Type 1 and Type 2, but it is a chronic auto-immune disease, Type 1 especially.

    Although this is the positives thread, I want more data around this, I.e., how old were those people with diabetes? I'd like to see more of s breakdown if anyone finds more data post it up.

    Cheers



  • @Tim said in Potential Positives to Look forward to:

    Well, this should be an absolute nail in the coffin for the "healthy at any size" bullshit.

    More than 75% had high blood pressure, about 35% had diabetes and a third suffered from heart disease.

    Shaddup shaddup shaddup



  • @Siam said in Potential Positives to Look forward to:

    In response to the thread...AFL ???🤫

    Positives?



  • @booboo I have met patients with insulin dependent diabetes. They can be and often are fit and healthy, they lack the hormone and as long as they get insulin no problem. It does not reflect on their lifestyle choices and whether or not they take care of their diet, fitness etc. In contrast non-insulin dependent diabetes is more often a disease of excess. These people often look older and more worn than their age suggests. Often obese. Many smoke. Unfit. Often older as opposed to the insulin dependent group who can be any age. I would assume they are the riskier group



  • My wife is Type 1 (juvenile diabetes) insulin-dependent, has been since she was 12. Wouldn’t wish it on anybody. She is compulsively on top of it, thankfully, has a super-healthy diet, counts every carb, works out and is super-fit. We know (knew, sadly) Type 1s who didn’t take care of themselves in their 20s partied their asses off, were generally in denial about their condition, and sadly died too young in their early thirties. It’s serious stuff. (And she’s terrified.)



  • @Salacious-Crumb said in Potential Positives to Look forward to:

    My wife is Type 1 (juvenile diabetes) insulin-dependent, has been since she was 12. Wouldn’t wish it on anybody. She is compulsively on top of it, thankfully, has a super-healthy diet, counts every carb, works out and is super-fit. We know (knew, sadly) Type 1s who didn’t take care of themselves in their 20s partied their asses off, were generally in denial about their condition, and sadly died too young in their early thirties. It’s serious stuff.

    Sounds like your wife is the kind of diabetic who is best equipped to ride this coronavirus thing out 👍



  • She’s scared shitless right now. I’m constantly trying to reassure her and talk her off a cliff. For her this is a living nightmare, and she’s not getting a lot of sympathy from her employer, which is another story. She’s emotional, so it’s not easy.



  • @Salacious-Crumb said in Potential Positives to Look forward to:

    She’s scared shitless right now. I’m constantly trying to reassure her and talk her off a cliff. For her this is a living nightmare, and she’s not getting a lot of sympathy from her employer, which is another story. She’s emotional, so it’s not easy.

    I feel for you mate. My wife is stressed and she is fit and healthy. Sounds like she is doing everything right. I'd imagine she is as conscious as anyone about avoiding big crowds and close contact, washing hands and using sanitizer



  • @canefan I constantly remind her that her being stressed right now is the most normal thing in the world, and to get out her yoga mat.



  • @Salacious-Crumb said in Potential Positives to Look forward to:

    @canefan I constantly remind her that her being stressed right now is the most normal thing in the world, and to get out her yoga mat.

    Too much stress is not good, but a little fear is a good thing. Keeps you alive longer



  • @Salacious-Crumb said in Potential Positives to Look forward to:

    She’s scared shitless right now. I’m constantly trying to reassure her and talk her off a cliff. For her this is a living nightmare, and she’s not getting a lot of sympathy from her employer, which is another story. She’s emotional, so it’s not easy.

    That's shit.

    I currently on Secondment from my employer to the local Water and Waste authority at the local Council.

    Old mate (who is a decent rugby guy) who is the Executive Manager of the area I'm Seconded to says "Fuck off and work from home, I don't want to be responsible for your death".

    Yeah, thanks Trev.

    Bit actually appreciated.

    You might think Type 2 is lifestyle choice but my Dad, my Mum and my brother all became diabetics late in life. So I blame genetics ...

    I'll accept the diet thing with the cardiovascular disease ... And the blood pressure ... But as a bloke in my early fittys I don't think I'm in the worst of shape. But am concerned about this COVID shit, given underlying conditions.

    I've brought that up more than once in here. So hope I'm not boring y'all

    Will try and let you know if I'm on the way out 🙂

    And @Salacious-Crumb best of luck to you and especially Mrs Crumb.







  • @Hooroo I think the US is coming to realize that we are too dependent on the Chinese for everything. Well at least us on the right.



  • @broughie said in Potential Positives to Look forward to:

    @Hooroo I think the US is coming to realize that we are too dependent on the Chinese for everything. Well at least us on the right.

    This could be the downfall of the current international trade model.



  • @Godder said in Potential Positives to Look forward to:

    @broughie said in Potential Positives to Look forward to:

    @Hooroo I think the US is coming to realize that we are too dependent on the Chinese for everything. Well at least us on the right.

    This could be the downfall of the current international trade model.

    The tariff fight already started that process, and countries like India and Brazil have been putting in place laws that require local production of technology.

    In light of the pandemic, I expect that will just accelerate. Not a bad thing to be independent of a country like China



  • @Godder For good reason. The Chinese are not to be trusted.



  • I think in a Pandemic, nobody can really be trusted given even our closest allies are closing off immigration to everyone (NZ-Aust and US-Canada didn't seem like it would ever happen). This will reshape everyone's approaches in future - if nothing else, the ability to manufacture medical supplies and tests in some quantity seems essential.



  • @Godder

    Conversely I think it will accelerate robotic technologies etc though, so even though we may see some return of manufacturing etc I don't see it as a potential boon for local workers unless governments are happy to step in and require it.



  • @gt12

    Can't rule that out - add acceleration of replacing humans with machines as a potential headache for governments dealing with the economic fallout of this.



  • @JC said in Potential Positives to Look forward to:

    @antipodean said in Potential Positives to Look forward to:

    How much are you prepared to give in additional tax revenue to do that? Serious question because what you're suggesting is not a trivial undertaking. Better I'd suggest to attempt an increased stockpile, but even then you can't predict what you're going to need...

    That’s an interesting question. But it’s a political one, not an economic one. In the longer run, by which in this case I mean longer than one electoral cycle, the costs of setting up sunk cost manufacturing may be dwarfed by the cost of having to carry an entire economy in times like this. How much additional tax is going to be paid to cover the $12.1bn that Robertson underwrote this week? And by whom, because it’s a fair bet some people’s jobs aren’t coming back after this.

    I maintain it is an economic question as well if for no other reason than opportunity cost. Would would New Zealanders be willing to forgo as a result?

    In my opinion a sensible government would sell that the need to insulate ourselves against future epidemic shocks is worth subsidising an onshore capability. But the temptation to dismantle it later would be strong, in the same way that it was all too easy to gut our military to save money.

    Agreed. Particularly when >$50 billion down the road you've got nothing to show for it but a heavily subsidised industry.



  • I know a certain very large Telco is putting a plan in place to hire local workers as years of call-centre offshoring is potentially under threat due to this virus encroaching into certain countries that may not have the medical apparatus to deal with it adequately.



  • @Rembrandt said in Potential Positives to Look forward to:

    I know a certain very large Telco is putting a plan in place to hire local workers as years of call-centre offshoring is potentially under threat due to this virus encroaching into certain countries that may not have the medical apparatus to deal with it adequately.

    That deserves to be in the positives thread. Ringing a call centre where the operator can't even speak english properly is infuriating



  • @gt12 said in Potential Positives to Look forward to:

    @Godder

    Conversely I think it will accelerate robotic technologies etc though, so even though we may see some return of manufacturing etc I don't see it as a potential boon for local workers unless governments are happy to step in and require it.

    Agreed. largely these are jobs we in the West no longer want to do anyway and only come back due to lowered costs arising from cost per unit (automation) and logistics to market.

    It's my bet that standard of living wins over nationalism in the long run.



  • @canefan said in Potential Positives to Look forward to:

    @Rembrandt said in Potential Positives to Look forward to:

    I know a certain very large Telco is putting a plan in place to hire local workers as years of call-centre offshoring is potentially under threat due to this virus encroaching into certain countries that may not have the medical apparatus to deal with it adequately.

    That deserves to be in the positives thread. Ringing a call centre where the operator can't even speak english properly is infuriating

    There's enough of them here now it wouldn't make a difference...



  • @Rembrandt Sounds like Vodafone since they recently offshored a stack of their call centre work.



  • Potential positive : showroom style house.
    Mother's day here, rare lie in but now there is drilling downstairs. This week there has been stripping of wallpaper, I don't want to know what is going on downstairs. This is a guy who used to pay others to do this stuff so maybe he's trying to prove a point in his spare time. Please god he doesn't stop working.

    Who else will be doing home improvements during social isolation?!



  • @R-L said in Potential Positives to Look forward to:

    Potential positive : showroom style house.
    Mother's day here, rare lie in but now there is drilling downstairs. This week there has been stripping of wallpaper, I don't want to know what is going on downstairs. This is a guy who used to pay others to do this stuff so maybe he's trying to prove a point in his spare time. Please god he doesn't stop working.

    Who else will be doing home improvements during social isolation?!

    Happy Mother’s Day...

    Does cleaning out the back yard so your new chickens can roam safely count? Didn’t think so..



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  • @Bones said in Potential Positives to Look forward to:

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    I saw that and thought the same thing. No need to scrimp either, make sure you have drinks and finger food after the service....



  • Massimo Bottura is live streaming his family kitchen each night on Instagram (8 am NZ).
    If I could work out how to turn off the moronic comments that scroll up the screen it would be good.



  • @Virgil said in Potential Positives to Look forward to:

    back yard so your new chickens can roam safely count? Didn’t think so..

    we treated all our chickens for mites yesterday, in hope they start laying again (mainly free-loading fluffybunnies at moment) showing them the crockpot doesnt seem to bother them...



  • @taniwharugby said in Potential Positives to Look forward to:

    @Virgil said in Potential Positives to Look forward to:

    back yard so your new chickens can roam safely count? Didn’t think so..

    we treated all our chickens for mites yesterday, in hope they start laying again (mainly free-loading fluffybunnies at moment) showing them the crockpot doesnt seem to bother them...

    Ours are only 7 weeks old so won’t be laying for a while yet. We have been talking about getting chickens for years. Finally took the leap, have 4 of them, only a day old when we got them. They are funny things, a nice distraction too



  • @Virgil yeah they are...we have another 6 rescue hens coming next week (typically half of them will die within a few months) taking our total briefly to 15!


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