Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@taniwharugby Agree, and I think unless it's a big cluster, or people get really lax with the app etc, it should be manageable at L2 temporarily.
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So apparently all the community cases in NZ have now recovered, the 37 active cases are all those picked up in managed isolation.
So, lets hope we have learned from this and our borders are sorted.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
So apparently all the community cases in NZ have now recovered, the 37 active cases are all those picked up in managed isolation.
So, lets hope we have learned from this and our borders are sorted.
Sorry, I know we have discussed this before but I still think that the virus getting through the border and the risk management of such are not entirely the same thing. Nor does the first always indicate incompetence.
The virus WILL get through from time to time.
Just as we all want to find a way of moving forward without draconian restrictions I think it is important to realise that some aspects of border control simply don't weigh up on a cost/risk assessment. You cant cover absolutely every possibility without wasting effort and money.
Cover the main ones, yes. And do it competently.
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@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
The virus WILL get through from time to time.
indeed, as I and many have said, shutting our border entirely is the only way to ensure we do eliminate it completely, but we also know we cannot do this.
If the level of control is good enough, and the gaps have been plugged, any new outbreak should be easily traced, whereas the recent one, is still unknown, although I think they had linked it epidemiologically to an overaseas strain, so we know it had been imported and somehow come through the border, this is where the tighter control comes in.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
The virus WILL get through from time to time.
indeed, as I and many have said, shutting our border entirely is the only way to ensure we do eliminate it completely, but we also know we cannot do this.
If the level of control is good enough, and the gaps have been plugged, any new outbreak should be easily traced, whereas the recent one, is still unknown, although I think they had linked it epidemiologically to an overaseas strain, so we know it had been imported and somehow come through the border, this is where the tighter control comes in.
So what is this 'tighter control' that speak of? What aspect?
If we don't know the how we don't know the fix.Like the third (?) case this could have been a hard surface transimission from an unrelated person that was asymptomatic and because of previous tests being negative wasn't traced.
Just a guess at a possible way.
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@Crucial wasnt the hard surface ruled out with the first one?
So how did it get in then, straws?
I suspect (no proof) they will have an idea about how it got in, but cant confirm, so am sure they can work on tightening up there...and if it did come in on a hard surface, I expect that is an easy hole to plug by disinfecting/cleaning stuff that arrives...
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Crucial wasnt the hard surface ruled out with the first one?
So how did it get in then, straws?
I suspect (no proof) they will have an idea about how it got in, but cant confirm, so am sure they can work on tightening up there...and if it did come in on a hard surface, I expect that is an easy hole to plug by disinfecting/cleaning stuff that arrives...
No. My theory was the same as how that person that tested negative twice and was released then developed symptoms. It was traced to a bin (?) at an iso hotel which gets disinfected but he was unlucky enough to time his contact before a regular cleaning .
Now imagine that the same person contracted but was simply a carrier and showed no symptoms. They could possibly then take it out of iso and infect someone that they didn't knowCleaning everything that arrives into the country is NOT an easy hole to plug and I can guarantee there would be an outcry if stuff was held up at the ports and costs added to the consumers.
I'm not claiming that I have the answer, just that there are circumstances like that that are just bad luck/timing/circumstances and very hard to trace to origin. -
Contacting COVID from a hard surface is rare. It is far more likely given the many balls ups at the border - failure to test, allowing people to mix etc. that it was a person to person transmission due to a lack of rigour by the controlling agencies.
Hopefully these have now (finally) been addressed as yeah, sooner or later its almost certainly going to break out again.
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This is an interesting article about the life of the staff at Jet Park Hotel in Auckland.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Contacting COVID from a hard surface is rare. It is far more likely given the many balls ups at the border - failure to test, allowing people to mix etc. that it was a person to person transmission due to a lack of rigour by the controlling agencies.
Hopefully these have now (finally) been addressed as yeah, sooner or later its almost certainly going to break out again.
They tested tens of thousands of workers as part of the MIQ programme, and found 1 case, the maintenance person at the hotel. Maybe it's worth the money for the confidence it gives us, but CV19 wasn't exactly prevalent.
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The Government has signed an agreement to purchase 1.5 million Covid-19 vaccines – enough for 750,000 people.
The deal will allow the purchase of vaccines from Pfizer and BioNTech, subject to the vaccine successfully completing all clinical trials and passing regulatory approvals in New Zealand, Research, Science and Innovation Minister Megan Woods and Health Minister Chris Hipkins said.
"Our first vaccine purchase agreement has been signed and it brings to fruition some of the critical work going on behind the scenes to keep New Zealanders safe from Covid-19," Woods said.
"As part of the agreement, vaccine delivery to New Zealand could be as early as the first quarter of 2021. This is just the first tranche of work in a multi-pronged approach to ensuring we secure vaccines for New Zealanders.
Woods said: "Pfizer have said they are making good progress with the development of a Covid-19 vaccine. Subject to clinical and regulatory success, and provided the vaccine is approved for use here in New Zealand by Medsafe, it is possible that some doses will be available to us in the first part of 2021."
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
So 2 doses per person?
Seems to be standard for many of the candidates to require two doses.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
enough for 750,000 people.
Ah - one of the benefits of being older (I hope)
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@taniwharugby hit her hard
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@Winger most church goers have been but the biggest part of the Auckland cluster was centred around an episcopal church linked to a bunch of deniers in the US who ignored all the lockdown restrictions because the church told them corona virus was bogus and the Lord Jesus and the Trumpmeister would protect them.
Then when it started circulating though them they initially refused to cooperate with contact tracing because the lord jesus etc
It's presumably why @Mokey said the church goers rather than simply church goers