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<p>Hilary's people have done some polling and the word most people associate with her name is "liar".</p>
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<p>And they released that?!</p>
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<p>Or someone said it & pretended it was true? Or someone who very much is <em><strong>not</strong></em> Hilary's people ran the poll & released it?</p>
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<p>I mean it wouldn't surprise me, I just cant see any situation where "Hilary's people" would admit that.</p>
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<p>She plays people against each other, jerked donors around and burned bridges. It would hardly be surprising that a former-staffer or current-staffer anonymously leaked insider-y internal polling results to a reporter. It wouldn't surprise me that many from Team Obama's campaign jumped to Team Hillary because they wanted to retain a Democrat in the White House, yet the closer to Hillary's inner-circle they got might have become privy to the knives Hillary is thrusting into O's back. That can be a deal-breaker.</p> -
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<p>Or someone said it & pretended it was true? Or someone who very much is <em><strong>not</strong></em> Hilary's people ran the poll & released it?</p>
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<p>I mean it wouldn't surprise me, I just cant see any situation where "Hilary's people" would admit that.</p>
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<p>I can totally see her rivals saying it... because its believable & bad & prompts TV to report it & run their own polls, none of which will be good. </p>
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<p>My mistake I thought someone had leaked it from her side, I misread the article and it was talking about deliberate leaks from inside Bidens camp about how he decided to run because his son told him to before he died.</p>
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<p style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'proxima-nova', 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;">Hillary Clinton took a new tack this week when answering questions about her use of a private email account as secretary of state: She took responsibility and admitted she was at fault.</p>
<p style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'proxima-nova', 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;">“It clearly wasn’t the best choice,†Clinton said flatly on Wednesday, as she campaigned in Iowa.</p>
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<p style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'proxima-nova', 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;">On Thursday, the reason for the change in tone came into sharper focus with a stunning new poll illustrating the extent to which voters don’t trust Clinton to tell the truth.</p>
<p style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'proxima-nova', 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;">While Republicans have been test-driving attacks against Clinton for a year and a half, no other line of attack has broken through to this degree. The numbers in a new <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2274'>Quinnipiac University poll</a> are striking: More than 3-in-5 voters, 61 percent, think Clinton isn’t honest and trustworthy. Overall, Clinton’s favorability ratings slipped to 39 percent — her lowest rating since Quinnipiac began polling on Clinton after she and her husband left the White House.</p>
<p style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'proxima-nova', 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;">When voters were asked the first word that came to their mind about Clinton, the top three replies were indictments of her trustworthiness. The No. 1 response was “liar,†followed by “dishonest†and “untrustworthy.†Overall, more than a third of poll respondents said their first thought about Clinton was some version of: She’s a liar.</p>
<p style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'proxima-nova', 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;">In an era of declining confidence in government, it’s not unusual that voters would find a politician less than honest. But the striking reality is that, for Clinton, a lack of trust is the first thing many think of.</p>
<p style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'proxima-nova', 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;">“Anyone running for president — that is a pretty fundamental quality you need,†said Democratic pollster Fred Yang, who is also part of the bipartisan team that produces polls for NBC News and The Wall Street Journal.</p>
<p><br><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'proxima-nova', 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;">Read more: <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/hillary-clinton-liar-factor-2016-213100#ixzz3o5wOUZBG'>http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/hillary-clinton-liar-factor-2016-213100#ixzz3o5wOUZBG</a></span></p> -
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<p><span style="font-size:18px;"><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump'><strong>Donald J. Trump </strong><span style="color:rgb(136,153,166);"><span style="color:rgb(177,187,195);">@</span>realDonaldTrump</span></a></span></p>
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<p>Defending her support from Wall Street and her reluctance to break up the banks, Hillary started bashing AIG during the Dem debate a minute ago.</p>
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<div><span style="font-size:24px;"><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://gawker.com/jim-webb-s-crazy-debate-answer-about-killing-a-guy-has-1736401666'>Jim Webb’s Crazy Debate Answer About Killing a Guy Has an Even Crazier Backstory</a></span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:14px;">During the first Democratic debate of the 2016 presidential cycle, the candidates were asked by moderator Anderson Cooper to reveal which enemy they were most proud of having made. They all gave rather predictable responses—the coal industry, the NRA, Republicans—until the question moved to Jim Webb, who sorta creepily talked about killing a guy, in the process glossing over what was actually a rather remarkable event in war.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:14px;">This was Webb’s response:</span></div>
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<div style="margin-left:80px;"><strong><span style="font-size:14px;">I’d have to say the enemy soldier that threw the grenade that wounded me, but he’s not around right now to talk to...</span></strong></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:14px;">His tone made it clear he was playing the second clause of that sentence as a laugh line, except there was only sparse uncomfortable chuckling as Webb flashed a weird self-satisfied grin and Anderson Cooper hurriedly moved onto the next question.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:14px;">But Webb’s story is actually far more interesting than that glib answer makes it seem. From the citation accompanying the Navy Cross that was awarded to Webb after Vietnam:</span></div>
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<div style="margin-left:80px;"><span style="font-size:14px;">On 10 July 1969, while participating in a company-sized search and destroy operation deep in hostile territory, First Lieutenant Webb’s platoon discovered a well-camouflaged bunker complex which appeared to be unoccupied. Deploying his men into defensive positions, First Lieutenant Webb was advancing to the first bunker when three enemy soldiers armed with hand grenades jumped out. Reacting instantly, he grabbed the closest man and, brandishing his .45 caliber pistol at the others, apprehended all three of the soldiers. Accompanied by one of his men, he then approached the second bunker and called for the enemy to surrender. When the hostile soldiers failed to answer him and threw a grenade which detonated dangerously close to him, First Lieutenant Webb detonated a claymore mine in the bunker aperture, accounting for two enemy casualties and disclosing the entrance to a tunnel. Despite the smoke and debris from the explosion and the possibility of enemy soldiers hiding in the tunnel, he then conducted a thorough search which yielded several items of equipment and numerous documents containing valuable intelligence data. Continuing the assault, he approached a third bunker and was preparing to fire into it when the enemy threw another grenade. Observing the grenade land dangerously close to his companion, First Lieutenant Webb simultaneously fired his weapon at the enemy, pushed the Marine away from the grenade, and shielded him from the explosion with his own body. Although sustaining painful fragmentation wounds from the explosion, he managed to throw a grenade into the aperture and completely destroy the remaining bunker.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:14px;">This all ends up making sense considering <strong>Webb debated like someone who has seen some serious shit in a doomed war.</strong></span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:14px;">Interestingly enough, although Sanders supports the 2nd Amendment (with a "D-" rating from NRA), Webb was the only Dem candidate with an "A"-rating from the NRA who fully supports an American's right to fully protect himself with a handgun and said as much on stage. </span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:14px;">Webb said some bellicose things about China and dumb things about Iran, but he looks presidential, was a war-hero and best-selling author, he opposed the Iraq War, was formerly Secretary of Navy under Reagan, and could have some serious crossover appeal to many GOP voters who'll think he looks authentic and sounds tougher than their own candidates with his Vietnam-NRA-Reagan pedigree.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:14px;">I won't be surprised to see his numbers go up after the debate, he's been flying completely under the radar. Most Americans had no idea he was a candidate and were only getting introduced to him for the first time in this debate.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:14px;">Webb gave a strong answer when he was contrasted to Bernie Sanders, who sat out the Vietnam War as a "conscientious objector," being asked if this was wrong thing to do while he was in the jungle with the grunts, telling Anderson Cooper it was mandatory conscription, called it a dumb war, said he doesn't blame Sanders for following his convictions, then praised Sanders for his work on bills supporting returning veterans. </span></div> -
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<div><span style="font-size:14px;">Interestingly enough, although Sanders supports the 2nd Amendment (with a "D-" rating from NRA), Webb was the only Dem candidate with an "A"-rating from the NRA who fully supports an American's right to fully protect himself with a handgun and said as much on stage. </span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:14px;">Webb said some bellicose things about China and dumb things about Iran, but he looks presidential, was a war-hero and best-selling author, he opposed the Iraq War, was formerly Secretary of Navy under Reagan, and could have some serious crossover appeal to many GOP voters who'll think he looks authentic and sounds tougher than their own candidates with his Vietnam-NRA-Reagan pedigree.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:14px;">I won't be surprised to see his numbers go up after the debate, he's been flying completely under the radar. Most Americans had no idea he was a candidate and were only getting introduced to him for the first time in this debate.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:14px;">Webb gave a strong answer when he was contrasted to Bernie Sanders, who sat out the Vietnam War as a "conscientious objector," being asked if this was wrong thing to do while he was in the jungle with the grunts, telling Anderson Cooper it was mandatory conscription, called it a dumb war, said he doesn't blame Sanders for following his convictions, then praised Sanders for his work on bills supporting returning veterans. </span></div>
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<p>Thanks for the run down its very interesting. As an aside do you not find the moderators in these debates to be totally light weight? He was asked "Which enemy that you made during your POLITICAL career are you most proud of?" He did not answer that at all.</p>
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<p>The guys he killed in Nam were not during his political career, and even if they where why would you be proud of that? I kind of wish one of the candidates would give a normal human response. Its a stupid question to start with but who is proud of making enemies surely only some sort of sociopath!</p>
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<p>I think you'll find that Clausewitz hypotheses that war is the ultimate extension of the political will. Or as I dreaming through that lecture?</p>
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<p>Indeed. It's the purest, realist, least imaginary form of politics there is. When somebody is pulling the pin on a hand grenade and you've got a .45 in your hand, the time for negotiation has passed.</p>
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<p style="color:rgb(77,77,77);font-family:Georgia, 'Times New Roman', Times, serif;font-size:13.3333px;">We see, therefore, that War is not merely a political act, but also a real political instrument, a continuation of political commerce, a carrying out of the same by other means. All beyond this which is strictly peculiar to War relates merely to the peculiar nature of the means which it uses. That the tendencies and views of policy shall not be incompatible with these means, the Art of War in general and the Commander in each particular case may demand, and this claim is truly not a trifling one. But however powerfully this may react on political views in particular cases, still it must always be regarded as only a modification of them; for the political view is the object, War is the means, and the means must always include the object in our conception.</p>
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<p>That would only be relevant to Webb in Vietnam if he was the one who made that policy. Clausewitz was saying that the deceision to conduct war, and the way in whiuch war is conducted, was an extension of other poltical decisions <em><strong>by those in power</strong></em>. Not that how individual soldiers acted in war showed their poltical leanings or how they would conduct themselves in power...</p>
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<p>So while you may not have been dreaming, you def. weren't really absorbing the core of his arguement.</p>
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<p>That would only be relevant to Webb in Vietnam if he was the one who made that policy. Clausewitz was saying that the deceision to conduct war, and the way in whiuch war is conducted, was an extension of other poltical decisions <em><strong>by those in power</strong></em>. Not that how individual soldiers acted in war showed their poltical leanings or how they would conduct themselves in power...</p>
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<p>So while you may not have been dreaming, you def. weren't really absorbing the core of his arguement.</p>
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<p>Unless you were talking about Clausewitz's lesser known book "Ass kickers who get shit done make good leaders"</p>
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<p>Macro and micro. Somebody holding a gun or a grenade with orders to kill is carrying out a political will with REAL ACTUAL INDISPUTABLE power. Those guns 'n grenades can kill.</p> -
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<p><strong><span style="font-size:24px;"><span style="font-family:georgia, serif;">Hillary vs. Hillary: In the “Alien vs. Predator†cage match between the humane and reasonable debate winner and the cynical neoliberal hawk, do any of us actually win?</span></span></strong></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:18px;">Clinton may have clinched the nomination after that debate—but which version of her will we ultimately get?</span></p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.creators.com/conservative/pat-buchanan/to-end-wars-trump-vs-sanders.html'>http://www.creators.com/conservative/pat-buchanan/to-end-wars-trump-vs-sanders.html</a></p>
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<p>Barack Obama sought as his legacy to bring an end to the two longest wars in U.S. history. On Oct. 15, he, again, admitted failure.</p>
<p>The 9,800 U.S. troops in Afghanistan will remain another year. And, on Inauguration Day 2017, 5,500 U.S. troops will still be there.</p>
<p>Why cannot we leave? Because, if we do, we risk the re-seizure of power by the Taliban we drove out 14 years ago, and a wipeout of all we have accomplished in America's longest war.</p>
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<p>And what do Socialist Sanders and Capitalist Trump have in common? Neither is an interventionist — both opposed the Iraq War.</p>
<p>Trump, unlike Carly Fiorina, would talk to Vladimir Putin. Unlike the departed Scott Walter, he would not tear up the Iran nuclear deal the day he took office. He would monitor and enforce it.</p>
<p>Unlike other Republican candidates, he does not look upon Putin's intervention on behalf of Assad with anger and outrage. If Putin wants to bomb ISIS, be my guest, says Trump.</p>
<p>Trump has not laid out a broad foreign policy. Yet, the sense one gets is that, like Eisenhower, Nixon and Reagan, he is a "peace through strength" Republican who looks to extricate us from Mideast wars now underway, and not be looking to start any new ones.</p>
<p>For anti-interventionists, Trump vs. Sanders is the ideal race.</p>
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<p>Interesting article about the guy behind brietbart, the site that makes Fox News look restrained and nuanced <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2015-steve-bannon/'>http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2015-steve-bannon/</a></p>
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<p><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'proxima-nova', 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;">"Jeb [Bush] said 'We were safe with my brother. We were safe.' Well, the World Trade Center just went down. Now, am I trying to blame him? I'm not blaming anybody, but the World Trade Center came down, so when he said we were safe, we were not safe. We lost 3,000 people. It was one of the greatest — probably the greatest catastrophe ever in this country," the Republican presidential hopeful said.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'proxima-nova', 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;">"My brother responded to a crisis, and he did it as you would hope a president would do. He united the country, he organized our country and he kept us safe," Jeb Bush said. "And there's no denying that. The great majority of Americans believe that."</span></p>
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<p><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'proxima-nova', 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;">"He was president, OK? Don’t blame him or don’t blame him, but he was president."</span></p>
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<p style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'proxima-nova', 'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;">"The World Trade Center came down during his reign," Trump added.</p>
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