How are cyclists cheating now?

Tim

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Chris B.

Her father's explanation sounds pretty dubious.
 
If you're prepared to cheat to this level then it's "life ban" material for me.

SammyC

but it was her friends bike :)
 
Seems to happen a lot at that level. Grabbed the wrong drink, flu medication, dietary supplement or bike.
 
Of course her "friend" rides exactly the same set up as her with the same fit as a world championship rider

Chris B.

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but it was her friends bike :)
 
Seems to happen a lot at that level. Grabbed the wrong drink, flu medication, dietary supplement or bike.
 
Of course her "friend" rides exactly the same set up as her with the same fit as a world championship rider
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And she didn't notice anything odd when the pedals seemed to go around by themselves. And it was just coincidental that she pushed that little red button marked "start"....and wound the throttle out... :)

WillieTheWaiter

just hilarious because the UCI has been taking the whole 'motor in a bike' seriously for quite some time now (that's how they found it.. they've got some special scanning technology) and everyones been like whatever surely no one would be that stupid.
 
Then someone actually tries it. massive facepalm.
 
Her brothers serving a doping suspension already, old man must be one of those parents that yelled at the ref from the sidelines when the kids were 5.

SammyC

People have already started coming forward saying they've been supplying pro-riders with motors since 1998 & others that they've sold 1200 of them.
Check out this footage of Fabian Cancellara, an absolute superstar of the sport... looks bloody suspicious to me

WillieTheWaiter

that's the tinfoil hat brigade right there... would be suspicious if it was someone a bit more of mere mortal than Fabian... he's more than capable of riding away from other riders he's been doing it from day 1.
 
plus kinda stupid video where they're highlighting the bit where all he's doing is changing gears. Like they don't even know the gear change lever is on the brake lever..
 
Flanders and Roubaix are races of attrition.. when guys put in attacks it doesn't take much often as they're such long races they often just don't have any response so makes it look like they guy in front is riding away without too much effort

SammyC

Well in the case of cycling being a member of the tin foil hat brigade is more than acceptable. We've had the wool pulled over our eyes plenty of times in the past
 
Rather than saying "got one", people are now saying..... I wonder how many more haven't been caught, and how long has this been happening?
I guess the default response is to assume the answers to those questions are 
a) many, especially the winners, 
b) a decade, at least
 
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Then people start coming forward saying they've been supplying pro-riders with motors since 1998 & others that they've sold 1200 of them.
 
If sport had earned your trust, you'd side with them in a disagreement, because motors should be (in theory) easy to detect so you'd think that they would have found engines by now. But no,all sport has curated cynicism, so we now have another thing to add to doping
 
For example, would grand tour podium finishers would be exposed by authorities if they had an engine, given what we know?
Instead, an U/23 rider can get nailed, the sport's leader can come down hard on what he calls a "minority" and off we go, a sport that you already had to watch with cognitive dissonance to enjoy just got a whole lot more suspicious (if that was even possible!)
 
My point is, people rightly can't trust the sport. 
So the last thing you should be doing is dismissing questions, whistleblowers and critics. 
 
Remember when motors were dismissed as a fantasy? Yeah, well, welcome to Narnia
 
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SammyC

Also, watching the grand tour riders of today, they often switch bikes so many times during a mountain stage... are they getting freshly recharged bikes?
 
Contador was constantly changing bikes at this years Giro, and Cipollini called him out for potetially having a motor

SammyC

<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://cyclingtips.com/2016/02/the-secret-pro-mechanical-doping-sketchy-finishes-and-katusha-dodges-another-bullet/'>http://cyclingtips.com/2016/02/the-secret-pro-mechanical-doping-sketchy-finishes-and-katusha-dodges-another-bullet/</a>
 
the secret pro is blog I highly recommend. Written by a member of the pro peloton, not afraid to tell it like it is.
 
He is not as convinced as Willie the Waiter about Cancellara

Cookie

Nice blog SammyC, thanks for the link

antipodean

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the secret pro is blog I highly recommend. Written by a member of the pro peloton
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Allegedly.
 
Of course the one thing people seem to be forgetting is electronic engines have a noise signature. Without sound deadening the whine would be noticeable.

SammyC

Of course it's allegedly 
Have you watched the numerous videos on you tube? They are completely silent

antipodean

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Of course it's allegedly 
Have you watched the numerous videos on you tube? They are completely silent
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Saying it's written by someone instantly affords it a level of credibility. If the person is anonymous, that credibility disappears.
 
I don't know which videos you've watched, but even brushless motors make noise, it's just masked by the machine run by the motor.

SammyC

If you followed his blog in any detail I don't think you'd question his credibilty. There's nobody else writing from within the pelaton like he does,. and a few pros have come out in support of some of his previous posts.
 
Anyway Greg Lemond (who has bucketloads of credibilty) has done several interviews lately on the subject. Including whilst recently visiting New Zealand. In every one of those interviews he refers to the motors he has tested being silent.

antipodean

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If you followed his blog in any detail I don't think you'd question his credibilty. There's nobody else writing from within the pelaton like he does,. and a few pros have come out in support of some of his previous posts.
 
Anyway Greg Lemond (who has bucketloads of credibilty) has done several interviews lately on the subject. Including whilst recently visiting New Zealand. In every one of those interviews he refers to the motors he has tested being silent. 
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In this video you can clearly hear it.

And I used to be in Artillery, so if I can hear it...

SammyC

That video accompanied an article at <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://cyclingtips.com/2015/07/hidden-motor-demonstration-with-greg-lemond/'>http://cyclingtips.com/2015/07/hidden-motor-demonstration-with-greg-lemond/</a>
 
in the article Lemond says this
 
â€œThis is the production model but higher cost versions are available. The very expensive ones have ceramic gears and are silent. I rode one before and it was very quiet.â€
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â€œI believe it has been used in top level races,â€ he said. â€œI havenâ€™t seen anything unusual in this yearâ€™s Tour, but it is something that I have tried to talk to the UCI about for them to take it seriously. I think they should, but they are not.

SammyC

Also, not sure if you've ever heard a pro pelaton ride past? but the noise is huge, like a freight train.
 
So any small amount of noise is easily masked in that environment

Hooroo

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Also, not sure if you've ever heard a pro pelaton ride past? but the noise is huge, like a freight train.
 
So any small amount of noise is easily masked in that environment
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Is it becasue of all the hyperbole that gets dragged along?

SammyC

As I've said in other threads, cyclists cheat.
 
They have done so since the early 1900's and most likely before that.
 
If they are willing to cheat in so many other ways......... Then why is a hidden motor so preposterous to guys on here, yet seasoned pro's like Lemond and Mario Cipplolini have make reference to it being a problem?

The Silver Fern

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