Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour
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@voodoo It shows that he was too early and in the wrong place and Jordie was on time and heading for the right place. If Adams was ever going to catch the ball, then the ball had to be involved with the collision of the players.
A video would have been more useful than a photo to be fair
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@kiwipie said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@voodoo It shows that he was too early and in the wrong place and Jordie was on time and heading for the right place. If Adams was ever going to catch the ball, then the ball had to be involved with the collision of the player
You have sharper eyes than me if you can deduce all that from the picture. In real time, with replays, all I saw was 2 blokes in a contest, both going for the ball. One maybe slightly early, the other looked slightly late to me.
The sort of thing that can and should happen multiple times in a game without the need for endless reviews and a sanction.
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Here are a few thoughts after a rewatch :
- TJP was not as bad as most ferners wrote. He was an important part of the ABs defensive pattern and harassed his opponents with efficiency. Most of the time, his passing was correct, but not mercurial.
- BB (with the notable exception of an unnecessary high kick after a dazzling run by Jordan) was very good. His delayed pass for ALB's try was a pure beauty.
- Taukeiaho is a beast. He is always making the hard yards and his support play is outstanding.
- Despite his captaincy, Sam Cane will find it difficult to regain his place as Dalton Papali'i had a hell of a match. No missed tackles, strong carries, one important turnover, one good taken try : he is now one of the best opensiders in the world.
- What is Savea's best position : 7 or 8 ? He was abrasive against Wales.
- Lomax has learned to prop. He did well when he came in as far as scrums are concerned.
- Vaai'i is a future great. We need to see him doing the dark jobs, however.
- ALB + Rieko Ioane worked well as a combo during the last 25 minutes. I would tend to think that ALB is the best centre when the ABs are on defense while Rieko is the best attacker in offensive situations. ALB was a pain in the neck for the Welsh when they were trying to throw the ball wide.
- By the way, thanks a lot to the two NZers in red jerseys for their try assists.
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@cgrant said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
Here are a few thoughts after a rewatch :
- TJP was not as bad as most ferners wrote. He was an important part of the ABs defensive pattern and harassed his opponents with efficiency. Most of the time, his passing was correct, but not mercurial.
- BB (with the notable exception of an unnecessary high kick after a dazzling run by Jordan) was very good. His delayed pass for ALB's try was a pure beauty.
- Taukeiaho is a beast. He is always making the hard yards and his support play is outstanding.
- Despite his captaincy, Sam Cane will find it difficult to regain his place as Dalton Papali'i had a hell of a match. No missed tackles, strong carries, one important turnover, one good taken try : he is now one of the best opensiders in the world.
- What is Savea's best position : 7 or 8 ? He was abrasive against Wales.
- Lomax has learned to prop. He did well when he came in as far as scrums are concerned.
- Vaai'i is a future great. We need to see him doing the dark jobs, however.
- ALB + Rieko Ioane worked well as a combo during the last 25 minutes. I would tend to think that ALB is the best centre when the ABs are on defense while Rieko is the best attacker in offensive situations. ALB was a pain in the neck for the Welsh when they were trying to throw the ball wide.
- By the way, thanks a lot to the two NZers in red jerseys for their try assists
Genius long term planning by NZR
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@voodoo The video did show it clearer - I don't think it should have gone to the TMO, referee should have called it or not called it as there was no suggestion of foul play but they seem to get nervous when a player gets hurt.
And I expect Jordie was timing it perfectly given how good he is at the skill and how much easier it is to judge when running onto the ball. Penalty because he was denied the opportunity of competing for the ball.
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@kiwipie said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@voodoo It shows that he was too early and in the wrong place and Jordie was on time and heading for the right place. If Adams was ever going to catch the ball, then the ball had to be involved with the collision of the players.
A video would have been more useful than a photo to be fair
Bunkum, it doesn't show anything of the sort. Can't tell anything about what happened just from that picture
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@gibbonrib said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@kiwipie said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@voodoo It shows that he was too early and in the wrong place and Jordie was on time and heading for the right place. If Adams was ever going to catch the ball, then the ball had to be involved with the collision of the players.
A video would have been more useful than a photo to be fair
Bunkum, it doesn't show anything of the sort. Can't tell anything about what happened just from that picture
Good use of the word bunkum. As I said, the video was pretty clear hence why the referee gave a penalty - which was of course my point rather than that the image was a slam dunk
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Did anyone read the player ratings today in the Sunday Times by Mr S Jones. Barrett was lucky to get a 6/10 and is almost as overrated as SBW. He does make me chuckle, especially when he's salty 🤣. He did v much enjoy the English win over NZ today. Is he really Welsh still?
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Samisoni attitude is awesome. No nonsense hard yards. Exactly what we need.
Weber, Samisoni made a big difference.
Im a Razor fan but hats off to Foster doing a good job -
Just going back to this one.
I remember hearing when we played SA, the ref made a comment about not getting two hands to it, so therefore a YC. Clearly not applied here and I am guessing not actually a rule. I am guessing the forward not down part contributed but does anyone know the exact rule as there is obviously a few interpretations out there. For me although he knocked it forward he didnt really look like regathering and would have thought a YC more appropriate after watching again.
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thing is BB could have been yellow carded but a Welsh player was also very lucky.
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I forgot to say earlier that Nepo actually had a good game apart from you know what...
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@nostrildamus said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
thing is BB could have been yellow carded but a Welsh player was also very lucky.
I am clearly not arguing that and it appears to be a bit of luck regardless, so I am guessing like me you dont know the exact rule either
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@bayimports sorry although my post appeared below yours and I did not specify, mine was more regards S Jones and Welsh fans online only talking about BB, not your post.
Regards whether I know how it should be reffed, I am not a ref but I actually did look it up before I looked and found the ref's article posted earlier and I did not find anything about a yellow card required here (https://www.world.rugby/the-game/laws/home), but I personally thought BB was lucky, he had very little chance of catching that, I think he was going for it, but I don't expect an international ref to not think it was a cynical move. -
@broughie said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
@mikethesnow I’m not sure that blackadders hit sent him lower but it was no arms so there was a case for yellow card. Your guy needed YC for being a dumb fluffy bunny and ducking his head. He created a situation where injury was probable. Who taught him how to prepare for a tackle?
I think Blackadder assessed the situation really well in this instance. He had seen that the welsh guys head was in avulnerable position and that he could no longer tackle front on so had to try and shift his position to try and tackle side on
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@mikethesnow Mate for a rugby man, the result while important is never the end all!!
I have been to plenty of matches where team I follow gets beat, but have loved being there. It's rugby, and I always used to belive it was something best understood by people from NZ, SA and Wales!!
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@stodders said in Wales v All Blacks 30th Oct NH Tour:
Did anyone read the player ratings today in the Sunday Times by Mr S Jones. Barrett was lucky to get a 6/10 and is almost as overrated as SBW. He does make me chuckle, especially when he's salty 🤣. He did v much enjoy the English win over NZ today. Is he really Welsh still?
Haven't read what Jones wrote, but I too am not as excited about BB's performance as most seem to be. It was typical BB in that he showed he is a very very good rugby player but an average International 10 in other aspects.
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I only got up for this because a cat being sick woke me from my slumber. Happy it did thought in a perverse way because there was a lot to like about this game. There'd be more to like if the roof was closed, but those decisions are beyond the protagonists.
All Blacks clearly worked on the forwards operating more as a menacing black blanket around the breakdown, perhaps learning the lesson of the loss to the Springboks; win your own ball and quickly, overwhelm in close and draw in defenders. Whatever, the approach for this game worked and well.
Players with questions over them coming into this match for me:
- Could TJP be calmer than his effort off the bench against the USA?
- Could Havili improve his timing and impose himself?
- Loose forwards.
TJP is clearly a talented rugby player. The points around his play have been made by numerous others in numerous threads. Marshall like, but more talented, as an extra loose forward in defence. Vastly more enterprising and skilful in attack. HIs service was an improvement of the helter-skelter play against the USA, but still short of the gold standard (Aaron Smith). I feel his best attributes in the twilight of his career remain his defence and support play. He just needs to rely on his experience and be the calm voice at rucks.
Havili. Looks short of confidence. Timing is off and errors creeping into his game. This was a match that should have made him look comfortable - the platform up front provided time and space. His defence wasn't great and he didn't figure in attacking highlights. Time to give more time to Tupea, starting against Italy.
loose forwards. You can teach skills. Players can become more accurate but you can't teach work ethic. Blackadder and Papali'i have that in spades. big engines and a willingness to be involved in the actions that make a difference, not necessarily the highlight reel. Hard to tell if it was the game plan, the opposition, the greater effectiveness of the tight five, or the actions of the loose forwards themselves, but each impressed. Is it the best balance? Probably not, but performances like that raise the bar.
Nothing summed up this test for me more than Beaudy doing Beau8dy things in the first and last minute of his 100th Test.
But Wales were missing too many for the big question to be answered, have we learnt the harsh lesson from the Boks? For that we wait two, maybe three weeks more.
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