Aussie Open
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@hooroo Was very entertaining to watch. A nice change from most of the round 1 walkovers.
Up against Medvedev next round is a tough ask though.
In the Women's Camila Giorgi is through to the 3rd round - she is a must-watch for....different reasons......
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@kiwimurph said in Aussie Open:
@hooroo Was very entertaining to watch. A nice change from most of the round 1 walkovers.
Up against Medvedev next round is a tough ask though.
In the Women's Camila Giorgi is through to the 3rd round - she is a must-watch for....different reasons......
Kyrgios is 2-0 head to head, but the last time they played was 2019. Since then Daniil has won a GS of course so his mentality might be stronger now
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I am rather disappointed that Peng Shuai has been unable to make it to Flinders Park, even if just as a spectator if she is too injured to play.
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A good match on TV at the moment. Swiatek and the easy on the eye Cirstea engaging in some power hitting
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@canefan said in Aussie Open:
A good match on TV at the moment. Swiatek and the easy on the eye Cirstea engaging in some power hitting
It's woman playing men's tennis - big power game.
Are their crowd restrictions as that's a very small crowd in.
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@majorrage said in Aussie Open:
@canefan said in Aussie Open:
A good match on TV at the moment. Swiatek and the easy on the eye Cirstea engaging in some power hitting
It's woman playing men's tennis - big power game.
Are their crowd restrictions as that's a very small crowd in.
I don't think there are restrictions. But the crowds have generally been down from my view on the TV. The big matches still seem to command good crowds. I wonder if covid19 has robbed the tourney of a significant group of fair weather fans who have chosen to stay at home this time round?
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The Tsitsipas Fritz game is shaping up to be a good one
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@canefan said in Aussie Open:
@majorrage said in Aussie Open:
@canefan said in Aussie Open:
A good match on TV at the moment. Swiatek and the easy on the eye Cirstea engaging in some power hitting
It's woman playing men's tennis - big power game.
Are their crowd restrictions as that's a very small crowd in.
I don't think there are restrictions.
There is a 50% capacity crowd limit.
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@bovidae said in Aussie Open:
@canefan said in Aussie Open:
@majorrage said in Aussie Open:
@canefan said in Aussie Open:
A good match on TV at the moment. Swiatek and the easy on the eye Cirstea engaging in some power hitting
It's woman playing men's tennis - big power game.
Are their crowd restrictions as that's a very small crowd in.
I don't think there are restrictions.
There is a 50% capacity crowd limit.
Some of the sessions are at far less than 50%. So maybe people are staying away?
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@canefan I think people probably are staying at home. The Serbs have already sulked and left, no Fed, etc. Tiley will be hoping Barty goes all of the way so that the locals turn up.
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Only 2 of the venues are specifically ticketed (Rod Laver Arena + Margaret Court Arena) - the rest of the venues are accessible via Ground Pass which means you can wander in and out. It's a little bit like the 7s where there is a lot happening outside of the tennis courts themselves (food, concerts, pop up bars etc).
I do think there's an issue with a couple of things though. A lot of players in the top 20 in both the men's and the women's don't yet have much name recognition and/or aren't very exciting to watch - some of them are just robots.
Kyrgios and Kokkinakis had Kia Arena packed for a doubles 3rd round game - not just because they are local but because they are entertaining.
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@kiwimurph said in Aussie Open:
Only 2 of the venues are specifically ticketed (Rod Laver Arena + Margaret Court Arena) - the rest of the venues are accessible via Ground Pass which means you can wander in and out. It's a little bit like the 7s where there is a lot happening outside of the tennis courts themselves (food, concerts, pop up bars etc).
I do think there's an issue with a couple of things though. A lot of players in the top 20 in both the men's and the women's don't yet have much name recognition and/or aren't very exciting to watch - some of them are just robots.
Kyrgios and Kokkinakis had Kia Arena packed for a doubles 3rd round game - not just because they are local but because they are entertaining.
i'm not much of a tennis fan, but the mechanics of professional sport interest me
And tennis has a challenge on their hands. For as long as anyone can really remember teh game has been dominated by 3 dudes and one woman. Pretty much all the marketing you needed to do was right there. Everyone would come to see them, two would play the final. There was little work to do
That era may very well be completely over. And there is just nothing behind them. Tennis has ignored the next guys (because really they were irrelevant) but now needs them
They almost need to decide what they are as a sport
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@mariner4life said in Aussie Open:
That era may very well be completely over. And there is just nothing behind them. Tennis has ignored the next guys (because really they were irrelevant) but now needs them
It's been hard for them because picking who the next big thing is has been impossible. Blokes have bobbed up here and there - Thiem, Tsitsipas, Zverev, Medvedev, Dimitrov - but none have really had a prolonged run of success.
It's the ultimate meritocracy in many ways, which means it's very hard to promote someone who may well not last a week in the tournament.
But more than that, these blokes are all pretty bland. Kyrgios stands out because he has a real personality and is unafraid of the spotlight. And it's beyond personality, it's also playing style. Just belting it back and forth from the baseline until someone makes a mistake.
There are parallels to golf without Tiger. You still have the hardcore fans, but who is the guy who makes the casual fan want to watch? It's a hard thing to force as at the end of the day the thing that needs to drive it is prolonged success on court/course.
The guy who could really be something is Sinner, the Italian. The job he did on De Minaur yesterday was scary.
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it's probably really hard for the marketing department, but as a sporting event it would be good to see the men go like the women, where you just never know who is going to win the thing
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@mariner4life said in Aussie Open:
it's probably really hard for the marketing department, but as a sporting event it would be good to see the men go like the women, where you just never know who is going to win the thing
I disagree. The women's game is too volatile. I would consider myself to be relatively connected to tennis, in the sense that I pay attention to all the Australian Open and the later rounds of the other majors. And yet I looked at the top 10 female seeds in this year's Oz Open and I reckon I recognised two of the names.
There's people I have no recollection of ever seeing before who are ranked 4, 5 and 6 in the world! That can't be a good thing for attracting viewers.
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@barbarian said in Aussie Open:
@mariner4life said in Aussie Open:
it's probably really hard for the marketing department, but as a sporting event it would be good to see the men go like the women, where you just never know who is going to win the thing
I disagree. The women's game is too volatile. I would consider myself to be relatively connected to tennis, in the sense that I pay attention to all the Australian Open and the later rounds of the other majors. And yet I looked at the top 10 female seeds in this year's Oz Open and I reckon I recognised two of the names.
There's people I have no recollection of ever seeing before who are ranked 4, 5 and 6 in the world! That can't be a good thing for attracting viewers.
i didn't say attracting viewers, i said as a sporting competition
Rather than 100+ guys entering a tournament hoping to avoid 3 guys long enough to be the 4th semi finalist
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@barbarian said in Aussie Open:
But more than that, these blokes are all pretty bland.
To me I think this is the key.
Even though the standings have been dominated by 3 guys for seemingly a decade - if you go back 10 years or so there were really entertaining players outside of the big 3.
Andy Murray obviously was right there but also guys like Ferrer, Verdasco, Wawrinka, Baghdatis, Tsonga, Nalbandian etc.
They were entertaining to watch.
Monfils at 35 years old playing on Rod Laver tonight is one guy who stands out as different and is still around but he's obviously not going to be around long.
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we need more lunatic Russians like Safin
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@kiwimurph said in Aussie Open:
@barbarian said in Aussie Open:
But more than that, these blokes are all pretty bland.
To me I think this is the key.
Even though the standings have been dominated by 3 guys for seemingly a decade - if you go back 10 years or so there were really entertaining players outside of the big 3.
Andy Murray obviously was right there but also guys like Ferrer, Verdasco, Wawrinka, Baghdatis, Tsonga, Nalbandian etc.
They were entertaining to watch.
Monfils at 35 years old playing on Rod Laver tonight is one guy who stands out as different and is still around but he's obviously not going to be around long.
Monfils looks pretty fit and arguably is playing at or near his peak!
Interesting that people think tennis is pretty bland, I've loved the quality and/but was pretty shocked how Kyrgios spoke to the ref, I'd have penalized him for that. -
@mariner4life said in Aussie Open:
we need more lunatic Russians like Safin
Just a few more rounds and Medvedev will accuse the entire country of being backwards-facing halfwits. That, or we could have the makings of a classic Criminal Minds at the Open episode.
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@nostrildamus said in Aussie Open:
@mariner4life said in Aussie Open:
we need more lunatic Russians like Safin
Just a few more rounds and Medvedev will accuse the entire country of being backwards-facing halfwits. That, or we could have the makings of a classic Criminal Minds at the Open episode.
Medvedev is so robotic, so it was nice to see him lose his shit against the French American Cressy last night
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@mariner4life said in Aussie Open:
we need more lunatic Russians like Safin
most likely to invade an adjacent state during the tourney?
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@nzzp said in Aussie Open:
@mariner4life said in Aussie Open:
we need more lunatic Russians like Safin
most likely to invade an adjacent state during the tourney?
Annexe the disabled locker room....
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@barbarian said in Aussie Open:
But more than that, these blokes are all pretty bland.
This is the same sport that had Federer dominate for a decade?
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@antipodean said in Aussie Open:
@barbarian said in Aussie Open:
But more than that, these blokes are all pretty bland.
This is the same sport that had Federer dominate for a decade?
Would never call Federer's style on the court bland though.
Kiwi Michael Venus is up against Kyrgios and Kokkinakis in front of a rowdy crowd right now.
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@antipodean said in Aussie Open:
@barbarian said in Aussie Open:
But more than that, these blokes are all pretty bland.
This is the same sport that had Federer dominate for a decade?
He is from Switzerland. 500 years of peace and they didn't even invent cuckoo clocks, apparently.
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@nostrildamus said in Aussie Open:
500 years of peace >
Switzerland didn't even exist as a country until created by Napoleon.
Apart from three civil wars, the French annexation and establishment of the Helvetic Republic, the subsequent rebellions and the Battles of Wintherthur and Zurich. After which Switzerland existed as a client state of France.
The Congress of Vienna recognised Switzerland as a sovereign state and guaranteed its neutrality.
Subsequently Switzerland were an active participant in the 7th coalition in 1815
There was also a brief Civil War around the 1830's.
So a couple of hundred years of peace as long as you ignore airspace incursions by both sides in WW2 which included the Swiss shooting down American bombers and US taking out Swiss fighters, plus the (mistaken) bombing of several Swiss towns including Zurich and Basel.
The Swiss also sent troops to Afghanistan the first time they had served overseas since 1815.
My brothers in-laws were Swiss. I was regaled with stories about how Hitler did not dare invade and how Switzerland could stop a Soviet army in its tracks so I made it my job to learn a few facts.
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@barbarian said in Aussie Open:
@mariner4life said in Aussie Open:
it's probably really hard for the marketing department, but as a sporting event it would be good to see the men go like the women, where you just never know who is going to win the thing
I disagree. The women's game is too volatile. I would consider myself to be relatively connected to tennis, in the sense that I pay attention to all the Australian Open and the later rounds of the other majors. And yet I looked at the top 10 female seeds in this year's Oz Open and I reckon I recognised two of the names.
There's people I have no recollection of ever seeing before who are ranked 4, 5 and 6 in the world! That can't be a good thing for attracting viewers.
Yeah totally agree with that. The winners (often Russian-Americans) seem to just disappear or fade rather than kick on. It's weird. Ash Barty seems like an absolutely wonderful person and competitor, but I kind of feel like her success is more due to others being wildly inconsistent rather than her being the dominant player around. I hope I'm wrong, but I see her more as a Hewett rather than a Sampras or Federer.
I also think the men's game is suffering from a severe lack of new blood or at least guys that can take the next step to superstar. The fact that a gnarled senior citizen like Nadal is a strong chance is absolutely ridiculous. Guys like Zverev and Thiem should be swamping the old guard but it just isn't happening yet.
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@dogmeat said in Aussie Open:
@nostrildamus said in Aussie Open:
500 years of peace >
Switzerland didn't even exist as a country until created by Napoleon.
Apart from three civil wars, the French annexation and establishment of the Helvetic Republic, the subsequent rebellions and the Battles of Wintherthur and Zurich. After which Switzerland existed as a client state of France.
The Congress of Vienna recognised Switzerland as a sovereign state and guaranteed its neutrality.
Subsequently Switzerland were an active participant in the 7th coalition in 1815
There was also a brief Civil War around the 1830's.
So a couple of hundred years of peace as long as you ignore airspace incursions by both sides in WW2 which included the Swiss shooting down American bombers and US taking out Swiss fighters, plus the (mistaken) bombing of several Swiss towns including Zurich and Basel.
The Swiss also sent troops to Afghanistan the first time they had served overseas since 1815.
My brothers in-laws were Swiss. I was regaled with stories about how Hitler did not dare invade and how Switzerland could stop a Soviet army in its tracks so I made it my job to learn a few facts.
To clarify, I am riffing on a famous Orson Welles line.
Orson Welles (Ft. Graham Greene) – "Cuckoo Clock" speech
In this scene, Harry Lime (Orson Welles) attempts to convince his old friend Holly Martins (Joseph Cotten) to join him in his underground criminal affairs.
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‘Absolute knob’: Kyrgios’ doubles opponent unloads on ‘10-year-old’ antics in fiery tirade
‘Absolute knob’: Kyrgios’ doubles opponent UNLOADS on ‘10-year-old’ antics
Venus calls a spade a spade. He is a talent. But Nick Kyrgios is a knob. They were encouraging the mob and it crossed the line of what is acceptable at a tennis match. It was more like Bay 13 at the G. If the umpire had any balls (she didn't) she would have threatened to kick everyone out of the stadium
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@canefan said in Aussie Open:
‘Absolute knob’: Kyrgios’ doubles opponent unloads on ‘10-year-old’ antics in fiery tirade
‘Absolute knob’: Kyrgios’ doubles opponent UNLOADS on ‘10-year-old’ antics
Venus calls a spade a spade. He is a talent. But Nick Kyrgios is a knob
At least it makes tennis, aka windscreen wiper, interesting
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@machpants said in Aussie Open:
@canefan said in Aussie Open:
‘Absolute knob’: Kyrgios’ doubles opponent unloads on ‘10-year-old’ antics in fiery tirade
‘Absolute knob’: Kyrgios’ doubles opponent UNLOADS on ‘10-year-old’ antics
Venus calls a spade a spade. He is a talent. But Nick Kyrgios is a knob
At least it makes tennis, aka windscreen wiper, interesting
See my edited comments above. It was entertaining. Then it got way out of hand
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@canefan said in Aussie Open:
‘Absolute knob’: Kyrgios’ doubles opponent unloads on ‘10-year-old’ antics in fiery tirade
‘Absolute knob’: Kyrgios’ doubles opponent UNLOADS on ‘10-year-old’ antics
Venus calls a spade a spade. He is a talent. But Nick Kyrgios is a knob. They were encouraging the mob and it crossed the line of what is acceptable at a tennis match. It was more like Bay 13 at the G. If the umpire had any balls (she didn't) she would have threatened to kick everyone out of the stadium
At one point said Knob deliberately smashed a ball into the crowd and hit a kid in the stomach. Is that much different to what Djokovic was kicked out of the US Open for doing a couple of years ago?
I went to the Aus Open a couple of years ago and the incredible skill and talent on display was more than enough to entertain me and I suspect anyone else who was there. If you want a clown show go to a farking circus.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Aussie Open:
@canefan said in Aussie Open:
‘Absolute knob’: Kyrgios’ doubles opponent unloads on ‘10-year-old’ antics in fiery tirade
‘Absolute knob’: Kyrgios’ doubles opponent UNLOADS on ‘10-year-old’ antics
Venus calls a spade a spade. He is a talent. But Nick Kyrgios is a knob. They were encouraging the mob and it crossed the line of what is acceptable at a tennis match. It was more like Bay 13 at the G. If the umpire had any balls (she didn't) she would have threatened to kick everyone out of the stadium
At one point said Knob deliberately smashed a ball into the crowd and hit a kid in the stomach. Is that much different to what Djokovic was kicked out of the US Open for doing a couple of years ago?
I went to the Aus Open a couple of years ago and the incredible skill and talent on display was more than enough to entertain me and I suspect anyone else who was there. If you want a clown show go to a farking circus.
I didn't mind them supporting the home town team. But he whipped them up to a frenzy. Venus said they were shouting obscenities about him and his family during the changes of ends. The umpire and referee are right there and did nothing. Weak
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@canefan said in Aussie Open:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Aussie Open:
@canefan said in Aussie Open:
‘Absolute knob’: Kyrgios’ doubles opponent unloads on ‘10-year-old’ antics in fiery tirade
‘Absolute knob’: Kyrgios’ doubles opponent UNLOADS on ‘10-year-old’ antics
Venus calls a spade a spade. He is a talent. But Nick Kyrgios is a knob. They were encouraging the mob and it crossed the line of what is acceptable at a tennis match. It was more like Bay 13 at the G. If the umpire had any balls (she didn't) she would have threatened to kick everyone out of the stadium
At one point said Knob deliberately smashed a ball into the crowd and hit a kid in the stomach. Is that much different to what Djokovic was kicked out of the US Open for doing a couple of years ago?
I went to the Aus Open a couple of years ago and the incredible skill and talent on display was more than enough to entertain me and I suspect anyone else who was there. If you want a clown show go to a farking circus.
I didn't mind them supporting the home town team. But he whipped them up to a frenzy. Venus said they were shouting obscenities about him and his family during the changes of ends. The umpire and referee are right there and did nothing. Weak
I don't mind the parochialism either. It's perfectly normal. But yeah it didn't need to degenerate like that.
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My issue is with the umpire.
She had no control whatsoever.
It's like a real life Happy Gilmore situation.
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This Felix dude from Canada is bloody good. Maybe he's the one to finally see off the geriatrics.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Aussie Open:
This Felix dude from Canada is bloody good. Maybe he's the one to finally see off the geriatrics.
He's only 21. Gone deep at Wimbledon and the US Open last year. Medvedev is just hanging on
