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    • Bovidae
      Bovidae last edited by Bovidae

      From what I have read BBBR should finally be back for this game. Apart from the long-term absentees, only Cane and Lord (twisted knee) should be unavailable. After the continual player rotation in recent games McMillan needs to settle on his best XV (and 23) and play the team he intends to use the following week. Hopefully Ioane is back as he needs another game under his belt.

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      • Stargazer
        Stargazer @Bovidae last edited by

        @Bovidae I've found the constantant changes to team line-ups (from all NZ franchises) more annoying than ever, this year. I know that Covid, injuries, suspensions and mandatory AB rest breaks have had a lot to do with it, but sometimes I get the impression that there's rotation just for the sake of rotation, regardless of whether a player actually needs a rest. I must say that I have no idea who McMillan thinks should be in his best XV/23. Some players are obvious, but others ...

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        • mariner4life
          mariner4life @Stargazer last edited by

          @Stargazer said in Drua vs Chiefs:

          @Bovidae I've found the constantant changes to team line-ups (from all NZ franchises) more annoying than ever, this year. I know that Covid, injuries, suspensions and mandatory AB rest breaks have had a lot to do with it, but sometimes I get the impression that there's rotation just for the sake of rotation, regardless of whether a player actually needs a rest. I must say that I have no idea who McMillan thinks should be in his best XV/23. Some players are obvious, but others ...

          NZ rugby is obsessed with rotation, it does my fucking head in

          And because someone somewhere more than a decade ago said something about not being able to play 3 games in 3 weeks, people just accept it. You're being paid to play, so fucking play.

          If i go to an NRL game (just as physical) or an AFL game (far more running), i can have a pretty high expectation that i will be watching star players no matter what week it is. With a Super rugby game there is absolutely no guarantee.

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          • Bovidae
            Bovidae last edited by Bovidae

            For the Chiefs, McMillan has said he wants to keep the entire squad involved, so I can understand giving every squad member an opportunity at some stage. Otherwise, if you need them later in the season they haven't played for a long time. But often there are wholesale changes from week-to-week irrespective of covid. It is hard to build combinations when there is no continuity in selection.

            @Stargazer I have no idea who McMillan's best team is either.

            This is the team I would like to see playing in this game.

            1 Aidan Ross
            2 Samisoni Taukei’aho
            3 Angus Ta’avao
            4 Brodie Retallick
            5 Tupou Vaa’i
            6 Pita Gus Sowakula
            7 Kaylum Boshier
            8 Luke Jacobson
            9 Brad Weber
            10 Josh Ioane
            11 Etene Nanai-Seturo
            12 Quinn Tupaea
            13 Alex Nankivell
            14 Jonah Lowe
            15 Emoni Narawa

            16 Bradley Slater (or Tyrone Thompson)
            17. Ollie Norris
            18 Atu Moli
            19 Naitoa Ah Kuoi
            20 Samipeni Finau
            21 Cortez Ratima
            22 Bryn Gatland
            23 Chase Tiatia

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            • taniwharugby
              taniwharugby @mariner4life last edited by

              @mariner4life happens from the top down...even NPC rotate squads, and these teams absolutely need thier best foot forward week in week out!

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              • Crucial
                Crucial @Bovidae last edited by

                @Bovidae said in Drua vs Chiefs:

                For the Chiefs, McMillan has said he wants to keep the entire squad involved, so I can understand giving every squad member an opportunity at some stage. Otherwise, if you need them later in the season they haven't played for a long time. But often there are wholesale changes from week-to-week irrespective of covid. It is hard to build combinations when there is no continuity in selection.

                @Stargazer I have no idea who McMillan's best team is either.

                This is the team I would like to see playing in this game.

                1 Aidan Ross
                2 Samisoni Taukei’aho
                3 Angus Ta’avao
                4 Brodie Retallick
                5 Tupou Vaa’i
                6 Pita Gus Sowakula
                7 Kaylum Boshier
                8 Luke Jacobson
                9 Brad Weber
                10 Josh Ioane
                11 Etene Nanai-Seturo
                12 Quinn Tupaea
                13 Alex Nankivell
                14 Jonah Lowe
                15 Emoni Narawa

                16 Bradley Slater (or Tyrone Thompson)
                17. Ollie Norris
                18 Atu Moli
                19 Naitoa Ah Kuoi
                20 Samipeni Finau
                21 Cortez Ratima
                22 Bryn Gatland
                23 Chase Tiatia

                That looks to be our strongest 23 as well (once you swap Cane back in).
                Pity that McWhannell couldn't catch a break (again) as he looked good early on. Lord could also take Ah Kuoi's place on the bench (or BBBRs starting spot if he isn't up to speed)
                Biggest puzzler has been the lack of trust in Reihana. I would have liked to have seen more minutes from him at 15.
                Ratima has been the 'find' of the season IMO. Has leapfrogged Roe easily.

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                • Bovidae
                  Bovidae @Crucial last edited by

                  @Crucial said in Drua vs Chiefs:

                  That looks to be our strongest 23 as well (once you swap Cane back in).

                  Yes. Stevenson is a possibility too if he is fit.

                  Biggest puzzler has been the lack of trust in Reihana. I would have liked to have seen more minutes from him at 15.

                  Last week was the perfect opportunity to play him with all of the unavailabilities. Not even on the bench when Inga Finau was a late inclusion.

                  Ratima has been the 'find' of the season IMO. Has leapfrogged Roe easily.

                  They have completely different strengths, but I like Ratima off the bench. That's how they work for Waikato (Roe starts, Ratima finishes).

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                  • Crucial
                    Crucial @Bovidae last edited by

                    @Bovidae said in Drua vs Chiefs:

                    @Crucial said in Drua vs Chiefs:

                    That looks to be our strongest 23 as well (once you swap Cane back in).

                    Yes. Stevenson is a possibility too if he is fit.

                    Biggest puzzler has been the lack of trust in Reihana. I would have liked to have seen more minutes from him at 15.

                    Last week was the perfect opportunity to play him with all of the unavailabilities. Not even on the bench when Inga Finau was a late inclusion.

                    Ratima has been the 'find' of the season IMO. Has leapfrogged Roe easily.

                    They have completely different strengths, but I like Ratima off the bench. That's how they work for Waikato (Roe starts, Ratima finishes).

                    I've never seen what the excitement was around Roe tbh. Ratima's speed to the breakdown, pass and decision making all better with the added bonus of being a stronger defender and runner. Roe has a good snipe at times but not the same strength with it.

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                    • Bovidae
                      Bovidae @Crucial last edited by

                      @Crucial I've seen plenty of Roe and Ratima up close from their 1st XV days. No doubt Ratima is the more abrasive of the two (TKB mk II), and I've said before that he looks to have the bigger upside. Roe's kicking game is superior but he can be outmuscled at the breakdown if you get in his face.

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                        cgrant last edited by

                        I'd like a loose forward combo with 6.Finau - 7. L. Jacobson - 8. Sowakula.

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                        • Dan54
                          Dan54 @taniwharugby last edited by

                          @taniwharugby said in Drua vs Chiefs:

                          @mariner4life happens from the top down...even NPC rotate squads, and these teams absolutely need thier best foot forward week in week out!

                          Yep taniwha, I think the coaches have to balance having players at top of game and making sure you have players with a bit of game time in case of injury, I sure they don't do it for fun, and we don't have rolling subs in game which makes it tough too, where players can come of for 5-10 minute breather,

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                          • Bovidae
                            Bovidae @cgrant last edited by

                            @cgrant said in Drua vs Chiefs:

                            I'd like a loose forward combo with 6.Finau - 7. L. Jacobson - 8. Sowakula.

                            If Boshier can't play that should be the starting loose forward trio. If he does, those three finish the game when Finau replaces Boshier.

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                            • Crucial
                              Crucial @cgrant last edited by

                              @cgrant said in Drua vs Chiefs:

                              I'd like a loose forward combo with 6.Finau - 7. L. Jacobson - 8. Sowakula.

                              That could go very well against the Drua. Probably not a combo for other games but I like it.

                              The other consideration is that BBBR is unlikely to play big minutes (or maybe even start) and with Lord not available (I think) we will be relying on Vaa'i to play 80 unless Finau can shift later in the game. Maybe K.Bosh on the bench allows a back three reshuffle late and some fresh legs for turnovers.

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                              • taniwharugby
                                taniwharugby @Dan54 last edited by

                                @Dan54 yes but sometimes, from the outside some of the rotation appears to be for, well, the sake of rotation.

                                I know they are privy to more info than us, but with the short window (NPC) often the balance seems out...maybe they need to be less cloak and dagger about player performance, recovery time, niggles etc start giving a bit more information to try and engage people more again.

                                In some ways I think Rugby think they still sit atop this pedestal in NZ psyche, but they need to try and find better ways to engage, stats is another we need more of.

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                                • Crucial
                                  Crucial @taniwharugby last edited by

                                  @taniwharugby said in Drua vs Chiefs:

                                  @Dan54 yes but sometimes, from the outside some of the rotation appears to be for, well, the sake of rotation.

                                  I know they are privy to more info than us, but with the short window (NPC) often the balance seems out...maybe they need to be less cloak and dagger about player performance, recovery time, niggles etc start giving a bit more information to try and engage people more again.

                                  In some ways I think Rugby think they still sit atop this pedestal in NZ psyche, but they need to try and find better ways to engage, stats is another we need more of.

                                  Totally agree on needing better engagement but there is also a privacy line to uphold. Not every medical unavailability and/or prognosis is something that employees should have to have out in public domain and if you state a clear line then dont describe why someone isnt available it raises questions and rumours. I think most teams get the balance OK although some dont even do a 'not available for selection'

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                                  • taniwharugby
                                    taniwharugby @Crucial last edited by

                                    @Crucial said in Drua vs Chiefs:

                                    Not every medical unavailability and/or prognosis is something that employees should have to have out in public domain

                                    although most are, given the games are played live, people see these things play out, so not giving any information is just silly, I doubt many players would say "no, dont tell them I need surgery on my knee and I wont be available for the rest of the season..."

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                                    • Crucial
                                      Crucial @taniwharugby last edited by

                                      @taniwharugby said in Drua vs Chiefs:

                                      @Crucial said in Drua vs Chiefs:

                                      Not every medical unavailability and/or prognosis is something that employees should have to have out in public domain

                                      although most are, given the games are played live, people see these things play out, so not giving any information is just silly, I doubt many players would say "no, dont tell them I need surgery on my knee and I wont be available for the rest of the season..."

                                      Missing the point a bit.
                                      A player can be unavailable for a raft of reasons other than an injury that happened in a game.

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                                      • taniwharugby
                                        taniwharugby @Crucial last edited by

                                        @Crucial er ok then...although that would be pretty rare in a physical game like rugby (although Alaimalo)

                                        But again, on him to do it, but ideally you can have him turn into an advocate (like JK) for others out there who are struggling.

                                        Anyway, thats a completely other topic.

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                                        • Crucial
                                          Crucial @taniwharugby last edited by

                                          @taniwharugby said in Drua vs Chiefs:

                                          @Crucial er ok then...although that would be pretty rare in a physical game like rugby (although Alaimalo)

                                          But again, on him to do it, but ideally you can have him turn into an advocate (like JK) for others out there who are struggling.

                                          Anyway, thats a completely other topic.

                                          It's not really.

                                          Take an example of a player whose spouse is having mental or physical health issues and they need time to arrange support and not go overseas.
                                          Should the whole world be party to a description of 'family reasons' which winds up a gossip mill or should they be afforded privacy and the lists just state all unavailable players as 'unavailable' with a possible period of unavailability?

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                                          • Crucial
                                            Crucial last edited by

                                            https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/128749877/all-blacks-lock-brodie-retallick-to-return-from-broken-thumb-for-chiefs-against-fijian-drua

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                                              cgrant @Crucial last edited by

                                              @Crucial said in Drua vs Chiefs:

                                              @cgrant said in Drua vs Chiefs:

                                              I'd like a loose forward combo with 6.Finau - 7. L. Jacobson - 8. Sowakula.

                                              That could go very well against the Drua. Probably not a combo for other games but I like it.

                                              The other consideration is that BBBR is unlikely to play big minutes (or maybe even start) and with Lord not available (I think) we will be relying on Vaa'i to play 80 unless Finau can shift later in the game. Maybe K.Bosh on the bench allows a back three reshuffle late and some fresh legs for turnovers.

                                              Don't forget Ah Kuoi who should be in the mix if he is fit.

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                                              • Stargazer
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                                                      Stargazer last edited by

                                                      Media release: https://www.chiefs.co.nz/news-item/gallagher-chiefs-head-to-fiji-for-dhl-super-rugby-pacific-playoff-decider

                                                      Unavailable: Reuben O’Neill, Gideon Wrampling, Simon Parker, Sione Mafileo, Laghlan McWhannell, Anton Lienert-Brown, Shaun Stevenson, Etene Nanai-Seturo

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                                                      • Bovidae
                                                        Bovidae last edited by

                                                        I wasn't too far off with my team prediction based on who is still unavailable. Finau rewarded with another start after a strong game last round. That's probably the first-choice forward pack with Cane to come back for Finau. Some good impact in the backs off the bench.

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                                                        • Tim
                                                          Tim last edited by

                                                          Good to see Retallick carrying.

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                                                          • Yeetyaah
                                                            Yeetyaah last edited by

                                                            Ah classic 2022 Chiefs. Hot on attack ruined by a stupid infringement.

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                                                            • Yeetyaah
                                                              Yeetyaah last edited by

                                                              Great line from Gus

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                                                                akan004 last edited by

                                                                Ross needs to be in black this year.

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                                                                • Yeetyaah
                                                                  Yeetyaah last edited by

                                                                  Commentor calling the Chiefs "Waikato." My brother in Christ they dropped Waikato from the name in 1998.

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                                                                  • Tim
                                                                    Tim last edited by Tim

                                                                    Red card for the shoulder to the head of Gatland on the ground?

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                                                                    • Machpants
                                                                      Machpants @Yeetyaah last edited by

                                                                      @Yeetyaah said in Drua vs Chiefs:

                                                                      Commentor calling the Chiefs "Waikato." My brother in Christ they dropped Waikato from the name in 1998.

                                                                      Australians get very confused about this, they often call the Drua Fiji, too

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                                                                      • Machpants
                                                                        Machpants @Tim last edited by

                                                                        @Tim said in Drua vs Chiefs:

                                                                        Red card for the shoulder to the head of Gatland on the ground?

                                                                        No just a little taking to. Jesus I might have to stop watching as the horns are so fucking enjoying, It's like oik ball ten years ago

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                                                                        • Yeetyaah
                                                                          Yeetyaah @Machpants last edited by

                                                                          @Machpants said the same thing to the Mrs before haha.

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                                                                          • FakatavaAllBlack
                                                                            FakatavaAllBlack last edited by

                                                                            Poihipi has great potential

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                                                                            • Damo
                                                                              Damo @Tim last edited by

                                                                              @Tim said in Drua vs Chiefs:

                                                                              Red card for the shoulder to the head of Gatland on the ground?

                                                                              Start at halfway with a PK.

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                                                                              • Machpants
                                                                                Machpants last edited by

                                                                                That was some exciting attack. Pity he dropped it

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                                                                                • Yeetyaah
                                                                                  Yeetyaah last edited by

                                                                                  Huge forward pass from Nanks

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                                                                                  • Machpants
                                                                                    Machpants last edited by Machpants

                                                                                    Interesting took see tupaea second on post contact metres.

                                                                                    Nice try, nice assist from BBBR, c'mon Drua!

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