Hurricanes 2023
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@foobaNZ I really want to see this backline get a run next year: 9. Roigard 10. Morgan 11. Rayasi 12. Barrett 13. Umaga-Jensen 14. Sullivan 15. Moorby. It's got a good mix of size, pace and x-factor that will trouble alot of defences.
I would have Perenara, Love and one of Higgins/Patafilo/Proctor/Savea coming off the bench.
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@Canes4life said in Hurricanes 2023:
@foobaNZ I really want to see this backline get a run next year: 9. Roigard 10. Morgan 11. Rayasi 12. Barrett 13. Umaga-Jensen 14. Sullivan 15. Moorby. It's got a good mix of size, pace and x-factor that will trouble alot of defences.
I would have Perenara, Love and one of Higgins/Patafilo/Proctor/Savea coming off the bench.
Lots of good options. I'd be more than happy with that back line.
Which NPC wingers are unsigned for 2023 so far we could snatch up?
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@Canes4life said in Hurricanes 2023:
@foobaNZ I really want to see this backline get a run next year: 9. Roigard 10. Morgan 11. Rayasi 12. Barrett 13. Umaga-Jensen 14. Sullivan 15. Moorby. It's got a good mix of size, pace and x-factor that will trouble alot of defences.
I would have Perenara, Love and one of Higgins/Patafilo/Proctor/Savea coming off the bench.
I watched Roigard closely in the Wellington CM. He was a bit ordinary so hope he is usually much better. Perenara is up and down now but if could always play like the HB match
The backline we will likely get includes Perenara Proctor and Savea (replaying Sullivan). Proctor is starting to play a lot better this NPC so hope he can carry it through to super rugby. This will be a good enough backline. But sign Lakai and the team will be able to put out a class backrow starting with Savea(8) and Lakai (7). Locks will still be a bit lacking still. Thats our biggest weakness. But front row should be a lot better. Aumua is hitting excellent form. Out props will all be a year older and ready to take on any team. Esp if Lomax maintain his recent AB form
It won't be a super rugby winning team (that will be the Crusaders) but they should be able to compete with the best of the rest. And test the Crusaders when luck is on their side
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@Winger said in Hurricanes 2023:
@Canes4life said in Hurricanes 2023:
@foobaNZ I really want to see this backline get a run next year: 9. Roigard 10. Morgan 11. Rayasi 12. Barrett 13. Umaga-Jensen 14. Sullivan 15. Moorby. It's got a good mix of size, pace and x-factor that will trouble alot of defences.
I would have Perenara, Love and one of Higgins/Patafilo/Proctor/Savea coming off the bench.
I watched Roigard closely in the Wellington CM. He was a bit ordinary so hope he is usually much better. Perenara is up and down now but if could always play like the HB match
The backline we will like get includes Perenara Proctor and Savea (replaying Sullivan). Proctor is starting to play a lot better this NPC so hope he can carry it through to super rugby
Roigard was very good against Canterbury a couple weeks ago. A few lovely runs and touches in these highlights.
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@foobaNZ said in Hurricanes 2023:
I thought Roigard was good against Wellington. I'd have him starting but they'll definitely pick Perenara.
I agree that they'll almost certainly have Proctor at 13. Sullivan would be my choice there though.
To be fair on Proctor he's probably the best defending 13 out of the lot and that's really helping Wellington this year.
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@Canes4life yea Proctor now is much improved from a few years ago.
My biggest issue with him was how often our attack would die when he'd be involved. Either bad passes, not passing or making a mistake. He was a ouyng nervy player but seems to have grown out of it.
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@foobaNZ said in Hurricanes 2023:
@Canes4life yea Proctor now is much improved from a few years ago.
My biggest issue with him was how often our attack would die when he'd be involved. Either bad passes, not passing or making a mistake. He was a ouyng nervy player but seems to have grown out of it.
Agreed, he looks stronger this year when he carries and the Lions attack has been functioning well around him. He’s more of a Conrad Smith type player where he will never bash through the line, instead has to use his guile to get through.
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@Canes4life said in Hurricanes 2023:
@foobaNZ said in Hurricanes 2023:
@Canes4life yea Proctor now is much improved from a few years ago.
My biggest issue with him was how often our attack would die when he'd be involved. Either bad passes, not passing or making a mistake. He was a ouyng nervy player but seems to have grown out of it.
Agreed, he looks stronger this year when he carries and the Lions attack has been functioning well around him. He’s more of a Conrad Smith type player where he will never bash through the line, instead has to use his guile to get through.
Big call to say he's like Conrad. Whenever I've watched he's just tried to truck it up and lost out big time
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@Mackerzzzz said in Hurricanes 2023:
@Canes4life said in Hurricanes 2023:
@foobaNZ said in Hurricanes 2023:
@Canes4life yea Proctor now is much improved from a few years ago.
My biggest issue with him was how often our attack would die when he'd be involved. Either bad passes, not passing or making a mistake. He was a ouyng nervy player but seems to have grown out of it.
Agreed, he looks stronger this year when he carries and the Lions attack has been functioning well around him. He’s more of a Conrad Smith type player where he will never bash through the line, instead has to use his guile to get through.
Big call to say he's like Conrad. Whenever I've watched he's just tried to truck it up and lost out big time
I’m not saying he’s as good as Conrad, but he has to approach the game the same way because he’s not going to bust the line with power. Proctor is a good defender but needs to work on his offensive game if he wants to progress his career any further. He’s still fairly young at 23 so he should start to come in to his own physically over the next few years and I feel like we’re starting to see that this year with the Lions. I remember it took Matt Proctor a while to mature and once he did he was one of the best centres in NZ, critical in that 2016 title winning team.
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@foobaNZ said in Hurricanes 2023:
I've said it here before but B Sullivan gives me massive C Smith vibes. Similar build and a slick pass. That pass to Ardie against the Blues to win was a beaut.
Not as defensively sound as Smith (who is?) but on attack a lot to like.
Can be very hot and cold still though. He has dished up some shocking games at different levels. Hopefully it is all ironing out the wrinkles and he is learning lots because he does have something about him.
His brother needs to get away from the Blues logjam as well but The Highlanders would be his only realistic prospect to get lots of time.
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@foobaNZ said in Hurricanes 2023:
I've said it here before but B Sullivan gives me massive C Smith vibes. Similar build and a slick pass. That pass to Ardie against the Blues to win was a beaut.
Not as defensively sound as Smith (who is?) but on attack a lot to like.
I hope you're right. He initially kept his position after Proctor returned but after watching him in games after this one he was a bit up and down. I'm surprised just how young Proctor still is (14/5/1999) so haven't written him off yet. His attack has been a lot better in recent NPC game and his defense has always been good. Another center options is PUJ of course but seems better suited to 2nd 5. As does the young Higgins but maybe he could also play center
Higgins is the one who I think has the most potential although he may lack the speed to play center. So we could end up with three quality 2nd 5 options (including Barrett) and two competing for center. Although Patafilo looks like he could be a good enough center at super rugby level if required
Lots of option but we need at least 1 to step up and grab this spot playing outside Barrett
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@Crucial said in Hurricanes 2023:
@foobaNZ said in Hurricanes 2023:
I've said it here before but B Sullivan gives me massive C Smith vibes. Similar build and a slick pass. That pass to Ardie against the Blues to win was a beaut.
Not as defensively sound as Smith (who is?) but on attack a lot to like.
Can be very hot and cold still though. He has dished up some shocking games at different levels. Hopefully it is all ironing out the wrinkles and he is learning lots because he does have something about him.
His brother needs to get away from the Blues logjam as well but The Highlanders would be his only realistic prospect to get lots of time.
One day we could see them together but the planets don't seem to align that well.If Barrett plays 2nd 5 Sullivan's brother would surely be an option for the starting FB at the Canes. Zarn seems to be a level above his older brother and from the little Ive seen of him better than Love and Moorby.
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@Winger said in Hurricanes 2023:
@Crucial said in Hurricanes 2023:
@foobaNZ said in Hurricanes 2023:
I've said it here before but B Sullivan gives me massive C Smith vibes. Similar build and a slick pass. That pass to Ardie against the Blues to win was a beaut.
Not as defensively sound as Smith (who is?) but on attack a lot to like.
Can be very hot and cold still though. He has dished up some shocking games at different levels. Hopefully it is all ironing out the wrinkles and he is learning lots because he does have something about him.
His brother needs to get away from the Blues logjam as well but The Highlanders would be his only realistic prospect to get lots of time.
One day we could see them together but the planets don't seem to align that well.If Barrett plays 2nd 5 his brother would surely be an option for the starting FB at the Canes. He seems to be a level above his older brother and from the little Ive seen of him better than Love and Moorby.
I doubt he would look to go into a three way battle though and possibly thinks he can learn more being around BB and Perofeta.
I would really like him to find somewhere to get time at 10 though. He is one of those players that have time on the ball and an accurate, as well as strong, boot. -
@Crucial said in Hurricanes 2023:
@Winger said in Hurricanes 2023:
@Crucial said in Hurricanes 2023:
@foobaNZ said in Hurricanes 2023:
I've said it here before but B Sullivan gives me massive C Smith vibes. Similar build and a slick pass. That pass to Ardie against the Blues to win was a beaut.
Not as defensively sound as Smith (who is?) but on attack a lot to like.
Can be very hot and cold still though. He has dished up some shocking games at different levels. Hopefully it is all ironing out the wrinkles and he is learning lots because he does have something about him.
His brother needs to get away from the Blues logjam as well but The Highlanders would be his only realistic prospect to get lots of time.
One day we could see them together but the planets don't seem to align that well.If Barrett plays 2nd 5 his brother would surely be an option for the starting FB at the Canes. He seems to be a level above his older brother and from the little Ive seen of him better than Love and Moorby.
I doubt he would look to go into a three way battle though and possibly thinks he can learn more being around BB and Perofeta.
I would really like him to find somewhere to get time at 10 though. He is one of those players that have time on the ball and an accurate, as well as strong, boot.The fact Beauden will probably gap it after the World Cup means there will be an opportunity at 10 for Zarn to slot into. Wouldn't hurt spending one more year learning under Beaudy.
On the other hand if he made a shift to the Canes he will not only link up with his brother but also a player who he developed a rather handy combination with at Kings College, in Aiden Morgan, when they won the Auckland schools title.
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