All Blacks MOTM v Boks I
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ST, Scott Barrett, Caleb Clarke.
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ST Whitelock Clarke.
Liked what I saw from De Groot in limited action. Needs more minutes.
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Ardie, Samson, Christie
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what annoys me is I even predicted this in a post before game. ST holds on to the starting hooker shirt from here on in barring injury.
Why did Foster drop him during the Irish series.
Even from my bar stool these decisions seem patently obvious.
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks I:
Ardie, Samson, Christie
I never thought much of Finlay. Just a meh player.
But things clearly sped up when he replaced Smith.
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Ardie, Scooter & Sami T. Scooter was getting thru a shitload of work today as was Ardie and Sami T looked as though he was a 50 Test veteran. Shout-outs to Sam Cane and Caleb Clarke.
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@Steve said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks I:
@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks I:
Ardie, Samson, Christie
I never thought much of Finlay. Just a meh player.
But things clearly sped up when he replaced Smith.
Smith didn't make on run, he's no threat around the ruck, it's pathetic
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks I:
Ardie, Scooter & Sami T. Scooter was getting thru a shitload of work today as was Ardie and Sami T looked as though he was a 50 Test veteran. Shout-outs to Sam Cane and Caleb Clarke.
Pretty fair assessment.
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Scooter and Sami. That'll do.
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@Bones said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks I:
Sam Cane
Why?
Being polite to the ref
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@Machpants said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks I:
@Bones said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks I:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks I:
Sam Cane
Why?
Being polite to the ref
🤣 You win
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ST, S Barrett and BB. Hard to pick the third.
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@Bones said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks I:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks I:
BB
Why?
Good defence, cleaned up a lot of the mess his forward pack delivered to him. Ran straight and showed his brilliance trying to tidy up from behind his line and almost setup a try.
Like I said, a hard pick for third. Him or Clarke.
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@Kirwan he's one of the most experienced players and is frequently a sticking point on releasing any attack. He's playing like a poor man's Stephen Donald.
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@Bones said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks I:
@Kirwan he's one of the most experienced players and is frequently a sticking point on releasing any attack. He's playing like a poor man's Stephen Donald.
Problem is the tight five, Smith is predictable. BB is playing as well as he can with the ball (when we have it) that he gets.
This is the most passive AB side I can remember.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks I:
@Bones said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks I:
@Kirwan he's one of the most experienced players and is frequently a sticking point on releasing any attack. He's playing like a poor man's Stephen Donald.
Problem is the tight five, Smith is predictable. BB is playing as well as he can with the ball (when we have it) that he gets.
This is the most passive AB side I can remember.
I thought our defence was enthusiastic. But with ball in hand I was reminded of bad Hurricanes teams. Taking the ball flat footed, just shovelling it on, seemingly unable to get meaningful go forward. Telling that the two breaks we made were from in passes, the only two moments of variation
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks I:
BB is playing as well as he can with the ball (when we have it) that he gets.
He's not. I've lost count of the number of times he's held the ball and taken a tackle when all it needed was a quick flick on. It's frustrating as fuck. I expect a lot more from him than one awkward break per game. I don't think I'm expecting too much.
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@Bones said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks I:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks I:
BB is playing as well as he can with the ball (when we have it) that he gets.
He's not. I've lost count of the number of times he's held the ball and taken a tackle when all it needed was a quick flick on. It's frustrating as fuck. I expect a lot more from him than one awkward break per game. I don't think I'm expecting too much.
The saffas were rushing up so fast. Very hard to spin the ball out when they were already up on our line. Our lack of go forward caused that
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@canefan said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks I:
saffas were rushing up so fast. Very hard to spin the ball out when they were already up on our lin
They've always done that. It's nothing new. We're talking about a 2 time nominee for world player of the year here right? The guy that's supposed to lead the team around the park and put it all into place. He can't even do the bread and butter at the moment.
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@Bones said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks I:
@canefan said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks I:
saffas were rushing up so fast. Very hard to spin the ball out when they were already up on our lin
They've always done that. It's nothing new. We're talking about a 2 time nominee for world player of the year here right? The guy that's supposed to lead the team around the park and put it all into place. He can't even do the bread and butter at the moment.
Our game is still trapped in 2019. We failed to realise how we were beaten then, the ABs and by extension SR teams have not evolved enough
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@canefan said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks I:
@Bones said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks I:
@canefan said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks I:
saffas were rushing up so fast. Very hard to spin the ball out when they were already up on our lin
They've always done that. It's nothing new. We're talking about a 2 time nominee for world player of the year here right? The guy that's supposed to lead the team around the park and put it all into place. He can't even do the bread and butter at the moment.
Our game is still trapped in 2019. We failed to realise how we were beaten then, the ABs and by extension SR teams have not evolved enough
not only that, but not playing SA means we dno't routinely cope with different styles. We see same NZ style, and a bit of Aus, but no real rush defence, bash them up front teams that expose weaknesses.
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@canefan said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks I:
@Bones said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks I:
@canefan said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks I:
saffas were rushing up so fast. Very hard to spin the ball out when they were already up on our lin
They've always done that. It's nothing new. We're talking about a 2 time nominee for world player of the year here right? The guy that's supposed to lead the team around the park and put it all into place. He can't even do the bread and butter at the moment.
Our game is still trapped in 2019. We failed to realise how we were beaten then, the ABs and by extension SR teams have not evolved enough
Dude it's still basically the same as 2015
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@canefan said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks I:
@Bones said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks I:
@canefan said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks I:
saffas were rushing up so fast. Very hard to spin the ball out when they were already up on our lin
They've always done that. It's nothing new. We're talking about a 2 time nominee for world player of the year here right? The guy that's supposed to lead the team around the park and put it all into place. He can't even do the bread and butter at the moment.
Our game is still trapped in 2019. We failed to realise how we were beaten then, the ABs and by extension SR teams have not evolved enough
Agree wholeheartedly. That's also a vastly different conversation than proposing BB as a shining light.
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@Bones said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks I:
@canefan said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks I:
@Bones said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks I:
@canefan said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks I:
saffas were rushing up so fast. Very hard to spin the ball out when they were already up on our lin
They've always done that. It's nothing new. We're talking about a 2 time nominee for world player of the year here right? The guy that's supposed to lead the team around the park and put it all into place. He can't even do the bread and butter at the moment.
Our game is still trapped in 2019. We failed to realise how we were beaten then, the ABs and by extension SR teams have not evolved enough
Agree wholeheartedly. That's also a vastly different conversation than proposing BB as a shining light.
I don't disagree he wasn't great. He's just one problem in a team full of problems. But our tactics are not helping
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@canefan it's the motm thread.
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Didn’t see the game but may as well go for Ardie and Caleb Clarke. Open for suggestions on a third option.
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@Bones said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks I:
@canefan it's the motm thread.
The discontent is spilling over onto multiple threads. ABs misery is great business for the forum
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@canefan said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks I:
@Bones said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks I:
@canefan it's the motm thread.
The discontent is spilling over onto multiple threads. ABs misery is great business for the forum
…..and talk back radio, I have TWO trips to the tip scheduled today. The whinging and teeth gnashing should be sensational.
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Cane played with constant strength and application all game. Lineout was great so Scott Barrett and Whitelock also for me. Taukeiaho was great. Taavao was good. Christie added a lot off the bench as did Mounga. Our back 3 were pretty awful. Missing high balls and being bundled into touch or miskicking into touch. I wish Reece was there!
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@ARHS said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks I:
Cane played with constant strength and application all game. Lineout was great so Scott Barrett and Whitelock also for me. Taukeiaho was great. Taavao was good. Christie added a lot off the bench as did Mounga. Our back 3 were pretty awful. Missing high balls and being bundled into touch or miskicking into touch. I wish Reece was there!
Sorry, late to the thread and missed the game. Did the ABs win ?
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks I:
Ardie, Samson, Christie
snap. I had real trouble finding a third one.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks I:
@ARHS said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks I:
Cane played with constant strength and application all game. Lineout was great so Scott Barrett and Whitelock also for me. Taukeiaho was great. Taavao was good. Christie added a lot off the bench as did Mounga. Our back 3 were pretty awful. Missing high balls and being bundled into touch or miskicking into touch. I wish Reece was there!
Sorry, late to the thread and missed the game. Did the ABs win ?
Best game of the year apparently.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks I:
@MN5 said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks I:
@ARHS said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks I:
Cane played with constant strength and application all game. Lineout was great so Scott Barrett and Whitelock also for me. Taukeiaho was great. Taavao was good. Christie added a lot off the bench as did Mounga. Our back 3 were pretty awful. Missing high balls and being bundled into touch or miskicking into touch. I wish Reece was there!
Sorry, late to the thread and missed the game. Did the ABs win ?
Best game of the year apparently.
Best performance wasn’t it ? Considering they did OK against Ireland first up I’m assuming they beat the Boks by 15-20. Sweet. Good old Foster !
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@MN5 said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks I:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks I:
@MN5 said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks I:
@ARHS said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks I:
Cane played with constant strength and application all game. Lineout was great so Scott Barrett and Whitelock also for me. Taukeiaho was great. Taavao was good. Christie added a lot off the bench as did Mounga. Our back 3 were pretty awful. Missing high balls and being bundled into touch or miskicking into touch. I wish Reece was there!
Sorry, late to the thread and missed the game. Did the ABs win ?
Best game of the year apparently.
Best performance wasn’t it ? Considering they did OK against Ireland first up I’m assuming they beat the Boks by 15-20. Sweet. Good old Foster !
Well Foster praised the Boks and yes he said best AB team performance so A+ and A+ make A++
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@Bones said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks I:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks MOTM v Boks I:
BB is playing as well as he can with the ball (when we have it) that he gets.
He's not. I've lost count of the number of times he's held the ball and taken a tackle when all it needed was a quick flick on. It's frustrating as fuck. I expect a lot more from him than one awkward break per game. I don't think I'm expecting too much.
You aren't expecting too much. 2022 BB is simply an average 10 in an average team.
