All Blacks v Pumas 1
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@Frank said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
I do, however, question the effectiveness of the AB leadership group. Are they too powerful?
Very good point.
They backed Foster and probably swung the balance in his favor and then, in this age of feelings over results and the fear of angering the players, the NZR lacked the balls to sack him.Pure surmise on anyone's part, but I don't think it was just that. He was backed by Schmidt, IIRC and the way Foster was treated by NZR would get anyone's sympathy and strong support from within the team
Edit: For clarity. I was more referring to the Snr Players influence on how the whole set-up runs, rather than their influence on coaching personnel.
I wonder if a few in that group were worried about being replaced by Razor.
Who would they be and why would they want to continue losing?
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@reprobate said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
...and that's why you don't make a decision to back a losing coach on the back of one win. What a fucking debacle.
Yep, I thought the accolades for Jason Ryan after one v. good forwards performance was a bit OTT.
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Really weird loss, ABs always looked in control of all phases of play (except for when Taylor threw the LOs, of course). The referee was extremely generous towards the defending team, and seeing as the ABs had so much ball (because ARG defence was good), they got penalised a lot. That refereeing made the game extremely unfun to watch, he rewarded any split second of jackaling, even if cleaned out right after. Argies never looked dangerous, their try was a fluke (and shame on you, Aaron Smith), and ABs still managed to fuck it up. Bad decision making & leadership
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I remember listening to Mark Ella talk about getting your "point of difference" players into the game. He was referring to Folau at the time and how Australia needed to get the ball in his hands as much as possible.
We have 4 points of difference players for me at the moment and they are all being misused.
Samisoni : Underutilised
Will Jordan : wrong position
Ardie Savea : wrong position
Rieko Ioane : wrong position -
Is Havili better starting at 12 than Tupaea?
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@NTA said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@canefan said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
"So, a tough learning curve for this group at the moment.''
- Ian Foster since 2019.
It's all about the learnings
I thought it was all about The Journey and/or blaming Deans?
Deans had a pretty good record fro the AB's between 2008-2013.
Can't wait to see if Foster is better when hes in charge of Australia.
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@nostrildamus said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Is Havili better starting at 12 than Tupaea?
Don't think so.
Think we need a fatty there. A Laumape, an Umaga Jensen brother.
Heck give Roger a go.
Havili is being picked to do Aaron Mauger things and he is trucking it up as if he is prime Nonu and getting rag dolled.
We have lost 6 out of 8 so most of the incumbents can have no quibbles about being dropped.
Cant get any worse can it.
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@broughie said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Steve The problem is not the backs. We lost in the forwards again especially in the second half. This makes the backs look ordinary.
Im not disagreeing but jeez we don't help ourselves.
We are being beaten by teams with Mack Hansen, De Allende, James Lowe in their backs.
Bundee Aki couldn't get in the NZ squad 10 years ago.
I think we have had a Savea problem and a Barrett(s) problem for about 5/6 years now. They are undroppable yet upset the balance everywhere else.
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What to say. Argentina deserved that, their defence was awesome.
I’m sorry but cane HAS to go, he’s just not contributing enough.
Oh well, we can look forward to the challenge of facing Argentina next week.
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@Tim said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@pukunui Oh we have way further to go.
This coach thinks that Cane is a better player than Papalii. He is a fucking moron.
I’ve seen nothing from papalili in black to suggest he’s the answer. At all
I’d be on the give sotutu a run at 8 and move savea to 7 train though.
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@Tim said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Cliches:
A leopard doesn't change it's spots.
Well, Ian Foster is a born fucking loser promoted through the mediocrity worshipping NZ system. Sam Cane is another absolute born loser.
Guess what? It's another record loss!
Jeepers mate. Settle down. I think cane should be dropped but you’re losing self control there buddy.
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@Machpants said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@NTA said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@MN5 said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Better balance ? More like two extremely forgettable All Blacks.
Maybe. But you need a proper 8 and a proper 6 to help that 7 be a proper 7.
I'd argue it is a better backrow than what went out there tonight.
Ardie is a 7, not an 8, for all the yards in contact he makes.Lot of talk on here tonight about playing guys out of position, and the only way to fix that? Well, seems obvious.
The Ardie at 8 is a really interesting phenominom, fenominum, phenomenon. Whatever. It started with coaches, I am pretty sure in ABs, realising his potential off the back of an attacking scrum. He's so fucking awesome at that. And even when he was playing 7, he'd go to the back for attacking scrums. That's really where is should have ended. But it didn't. And our best 7 since Richie has been unbalancing back rows since
The problem is that in a game like tonight where tough yards need to be made Ardie is not the size 8 we need. It was a tight game and it needed to be grind for the full 80. We don't have an 8 with power because we have not been looking for one because Ardie has been occupying that position because of our current coach. He does not have the foresight too drop Cane, move Ardie to 7 and then experiment at 8. This is a long standing problem. He has been holding onto a bunch of old men and the decline in them is getting worse each year.
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@MiketheSnow trying to put lipstick on a pig. Thanks
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@ACT-Crusader nice neutral tones jersey. A cardie would have been more appropriate.
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@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Tim said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@pukunui Oh we have way further to go.
This coach thinks that Cane is a better player than Papalii. He is a fucking moron.
I’ve seen nothing from papalili in black to suggest he’s the answer. At all
I’d be on the give sotutu a run at 8 and move savea to 7 train though.
Blackadder and Grace are to the manor born.
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@broughie said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@Machpants said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@NTA said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
@MN5 said in All Blacks v Pumas 1:
Better balance ? More like two extremely forgettable All Blacks.
Maybe. But you need a proper 8 and a proper 6 to help that 7 be a proper 7.
I'd argue it is a better backrow than what went out there tonight.
Ardie is a 7, not an 8, for all the yards in contact he makes.Lot of talk on here tonight about playing guys out of position, and the only way to fix that? Well, seems obvious.
The Ardie at 8 is a really interesting phenominom, fenominum, phenomenon. Whatever. It started with coaches, I am pretty sure in ABs, realising his potential off the back of an attacking scrum. He's so fucking awesome at that. And even when he was playing 7, he'd go to the back for attacking scrums. That's really where is should have ended. But it didn't. And our best 7 since Richie has been unbalancing back rows since
The problem is that in a game like tonight where tough yards need to be made Ardie is not the size 8 we need. It was a tight game and it needed to be grind for the full 80. We don't have an 8 with power because we have not been looking for one because Ardie has been occupying that position because of our current coach. He does not have the foresight too drop Cane, move Ardie to 7 and then experiment at 8. This is a long standing problem. He has been holding onto a bunch of old men and the decline in them is getting worse each year.
I am not arguing with that. He is loyal to a fault.
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@Victor-Meldrew I don't know about over the top. There were some good things that appeared to be happening. Although maybe the Boks really are not that good which made our second test result look even better. The Boks looked horrible yesterday. I think the first half for us was good and we stuck to a plan. This went out the window in the second half for some reason.
