Musk & Twitter
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@nostrildamus said in Musk & Twitter:
oh it is a can of worms but colour me surprised that a billionaire famous for non-emission cars doesn't want his not inconsiderable Airmiles discussed.
Speaking of which it is a very nice private plane judging by the photos on business insider accompanying an interview of the aforementioned security-conscious Musk (oh yes he had 2 planes at the time of the interview, but this could well be the nicer one-a Gulfstream G650ER).Given the number of EVs he's been responsible for he may well be close to Net Zero.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Musk & Twitter:
@nostrildamus said in Musk & Twitter:
oh it is a can of worms but colour me surprised that a billionaire famous for non-emission cars doesn't want his not inconsiderable Airmiles discussed.
Why do you think that? He has absolutely no problem being tracked - just not in real-time.
he just reinstated the journalists....edit: and he had earlier had no problem with it
"My commitment to free speech extends even to not banning the account following my plane, even though that is a direct personal safety risk," Musk tweeted on November 6.
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@booboo said in Musk & Twitter:
@nostrildamus said in Musk & Twitter:
oh it is a can of worms but colour me surprised that a billionaire famous for non-emission cars doesn't want his not inconsiderable Airmiles discussed.
Speaking of which it is a very nice private plane judging by the photos on business insider accompanying an interview of the aforementioned security-conscious Musk (oh yes he had 2 planes at the time of the interview, but this could well be the nicer one-a Gulfstream G650ER).Given the number of EVs he's been responsible for he may well be close to Net Zero.
Maybe if Teslas are made of bamboo. You may have also forgotten about his rockets..
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@nostrildamus
Musk the liberal = Saves the planet, genius businessman, great human being.Musk the centrist = Massive polluter, terrible businessman, terrible human being.
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@nostrildamus said in Musk & Twitter:
"My commitment to free speech extends even to not banning the account following my plane, even though that is a direct personal safety risk," Musk tweeted on November 6.
Not sure what you are saying. How does that relate to your assertion Musk only banned accounts tracking his real-time plane movements (he doesn't mind delayed tracking, remember) to cover up his use of his private aircraft?
Or are you saying it wasn't OK for him to tweak his policy to protect two year-old children from stalkers?
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@nostrildamus said in Musk & Twitter:
Maybe if Teslas are made of bamboo. You may have also forgotten about his rockets..
How much pollution has been put out by Musk's Space X rockets each year compared to 3 million petrol and diesel cars? Do you know?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Musk & Twitter:
@nostrildamus said in Musk & Twitter:
Maybe if Teslas are made of bamboo. You may have also forgotten about his rockets..
How much pollution has been put out by Musk's Space X rockets each year compared to 3 million petrol and diesel cars? Do you know?
Rhetorical question, but I understand one launch is equivalent to a 747 going NZ to Europe.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Musk & Twitter:
@nostrildamus said in Musk & Twitter:
Maybe if Teslas are made of bamboo. You may have also forgotten about his rockets..
How much pollution has been put out by Musk's Space X rockets each year compared to 3 million petrol and diesel cars? Do you know?
I responded to "Given the number of EVs he's been responsible for he may well be close to Net Zero."
That sentence was only about EVs-NOT being net zero. A lot of energy goes into their production. -
@Victor-Meldrew said in Musk & Twitter:
@nostrildamus said in Musk & Twitter:
Maybe if Teslas are made of bamboo. You may have also forgotten about his rockets..
How much pollution has been put out by Musk's Space X rockets each year compared to 3 million petrol and diesel cars? Do you know?
"the percentage of fossil fuels burned by the space industry is only about 1% of that burned by conventional aviation..."But this comparison was always erroneous because aircraft released their pollutants within the troposphere and the lower stratosphere, whereas rockets are releasing their pollutants all the way from the surface of the Earth to the mesophere, and when pollution is released into those upper layers it lasts for a longer time than earthbound sources.""
It isn't easy to calculate.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Musk & Twitter:
@nostrildamus said in Musk & Twitter:
"My commitment to free speech extends even to not banning the account following my plane, even though that is a direct personal safety risk," Musk tweeted on November 6.
Not sure what you are saying. How does that relate to your assertion Musk only banned accounts tracking his real-time plane movements (he doesn't mind delayed tracking, remember) to cover up his use of his private aircraft?
Or are you saying it wasn't OK for him to tweak his policy to protect two year-old children from stalkers?
he changes his mind, quote his tweets at your peril.
Or are you saying it wasn't OK for him to tweak his policy to protect two year-old children from stalkers?
Nope, you aren't putting words into my mouth.
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@nostrildamus said in Musk & Twitter:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Musk & Twitter:
@nostrildamus said in Musk & Twitter:
"My commitment to free speech extends even to not banning the account following my plane, even though that is a direct personal safety risk," Musk tweeted on November 6.
Not sure what you are saying. How does that relate to your assertion Musk only banned accounts tracking his real-time plane movements (he doesn't mind delayed tracking, remember) to cover up his use of his private aircraft?
Or are you saying it wasn't OK for him to tweak his policy to protect two year-old children from stalkers?
he changes his mind, quote his tweets at your peril.
Or are you saying it wasn't OK for him to tweak his policy to protect two year-old children from stalkers?
Nope, you aren't putting words into my mouth.
As I've said, I'm unclear on what you meant or what point you are making so that's why I asked for clarification. Obviously then, I can't really comment on your words - or put them in your mouth.
My original point, remember, was that Twitter's moderation policies were way more transparent under Musk and I think that's a good thing - particularly as the balance between Freedom of Speech and on-line harms is a tricky one . Nothing Musk has said or done indicates the opposite to that.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Musk & Twitter:
@nostrildamus said in Musk & Twitter:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Musk & Twitter:
@nostrildamus said in Musk & Twitter:
"My commitment to free speech extends even to not banning the account following my plane, even though that is a direct personal safety risk," Musk tweeted on November 6.
Not sure what you are saying. How does that relate to your assertion Musk only banned accounts tracking his real-time plane movements (he doesn't mind delayed tracking, remember) to cover up his use of his private aircraft?
Or are you saying it wasn't OK for him to tweak his policy to protect two year-old children from stalkers?
he changes his mind, quote his tweets at your peril.
Or are you saying it wasn't OK for him to tweak his policy to protect two year-old children from stalkers?
Nope, you aren't putting words into my mouth.
As I've said, I'm unclear on what you meant or what point you are making so that's why I asked for clarification. Obviously then, I can't really comment on your words - or put them in your mouth.
My original point, remember, was that Twitter's moderation policies were way more transparent under Musk and I think that's a good thing - particularly as the balance between Freedom of Speech and on-line harms is a tricky one . Nothing Musk has said or done indicates the opposite to that.
Musk seems to make personal judgements rather than platform-wide judgements.
He redefines concepts to suit himself (he doesn't seem to ensure twitter is safer for other people who fly by personal jet), he redefines doxing to suit himself and very conveniently bans links to emerging if still sleepy competitor mastodon (because they also featured posts related to HIS flight data rather than EVERYONE's flight data).
Is flight tracking a security risk?
Has Twitter improved moderation?
Within a day of Musk taking ownership of Twitter, Ingle says, internal data showed that the number of abusive tweets reported by users increased 50 percent. That initial spike died off a little, she says, but abusive content reports remained about 40 percent or so higher than the usual volume before the takeover.
I personally think it is a little early to decide, his conversion to automation will take some time to judge if it succeeds. So no I don't agree with you-yet-on moderation.
Musk is canny and unpredictable. He balances gigantic jobs that many of us - me included - would have serious trouble navigating on a case-by-case basis. And he seems to have the triple threat skills (engineering, business, vision) that few I know of can master to the same level. But he runs businesses and workers raw, seems to have trouble controlling his emotions, and may have been overly swayed by his reputation on social media. Or maybe not. I don't know how much is spontaneity, ego, marketing genius, or mercurial personality swings. But Twitter shareholders are on edge, so are Tesla shareholders. And the UN.
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@nostrildamus
Wow, the Guardian wasn't too bothered about the large number of people banned for disagreeing with Covid orthodoxy or trans ideology.It makes me sick. The tribal two-faced hypocrisy of everything is beyond pathetic.(right and left)
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@Frank said in Musk & Twitter:
@nostrildamus
Wow, the Guardian wasn't too bothered about the large number of people banned for disagreeing with Covid orthodoxy or trans ideology.This is the newspaper, remember, which censored reports of industrial scale grooming and sex abuse of teenage girls by mainly Muslim men in Nth England on the basis that exposing it would "promote Islamophobia".
The Guardian sees Twitter as a competitor and Musk clearly doesn't share their world-view, so it's reporting on Twitter will probably be either non-existent or slanted.
The tribal two-faced hypocrisy of everything is beyond pathetic.(right and left)
Aye.
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jeez, over 17M votes, seems like a bit of nothing, he'd still own it and even if he appointed a CEO...as ultimate owner he still has the power
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@Kiwiwomble and he's probably already picked the CEO so just theatre. Certainly knows how to drive engagement!
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@Kiwiwomble said in Musk & Twitter:
jeez, over 17M votes, seems like a bit of nothing, he'd still own it and even if he appointed a CEO...as ultimate owner he still has the power
So Twitter is still overwhelmingly left wing...
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@antipodean have to say I just don’t know enough about how the algorithms work, I don’t use Twitter much but what I do see seems more right wing…but then others see mostly left wing…almost like it’s showing you the opposite of your own view point to get reaction
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@Kiwiwomble said in Musk & Twitter:
@antipodean have to say I just don’t know enough about how the algorithms work, I don’t use Twitter much but what I do see seems more right wing…but then others see mostly left wing…almost like it’s showing you the opposite of your own view point to get reaction
What better way to drive engagement than facilitating the perpetually aggrieved?