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@Rancid-Schnitzel Economic sanctions, trade blockades, seizure of assets.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel Economic sanctions, trade blockades, seizure of assets.
The first two can't work if Vlad holds the back door open. And vetoes any UN resolutions anyway. I don't know if Syria has many assets in the US to seize either.
Having said that I'm not sure of the next step in a strategy that involves creating enemies of both sides.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel Economic sanctions, trade blockades, seizure of assets.
Isn't that what they did to Saddam after the first Gulf War? The question is how much that would affect the civilian population and also whether it would actually bring down the regime/lead to reforms in the long term. It's not like the regime has no other allies.
There are no good options in this situation, just ones that may be less catastrophic.
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If Trump does the whole ground invasion/regime change (Iraq) thing against Russia's wishes, then I am done with him. I hate neo-cons.
On the other hand, the whole Putin's puppet meme is being challenged severely, it contrasts with 8 years of Obama hedging and waffling, and it will send a clear message to China, Iran and North Korea.
It does nothing of the sort. He's commenced a missile strike against a regime utterly incapable of striking back. He even went to the trouble of advising all and sundry that he was going to conduct the strike. There would have been clarity sought and provided that the intended target had no Russian resources in attendance.
Obama's been bombing the shit out of the Middle East for the term of his presidency and nothing's changed.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Syria:
Well he cant do worse than a Baskin Robbins ice cream server like Obama. What makes a fast food worker qualified to run foreign policy?
One News still refers to him as a reality TV star and not the President. It is just the usual tactics to delegitimize him.
Not entirely a good comparison. Comparing Obama's temporary job when he was little more than a kid to Trump's situation where he seemingly takes off one hat and then puts an entirely different one on. Obama already had a political career before running for president.
However I do agree that the continued lampooning of Trump has become a bit tired now. He's got the job, let him get on with it and he will either succeed or fail - or more likely be somewhere in between.
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@Catogrande said in Syria:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Syria:
Well he cant do worse than a Baskin Robbins ice cream server like Obama. What makes a fast food worker qualified to run foreign policy?
One News still refers to him as a reality TV star and not the President. It is just the usual tactics to delegitimize him.
Not entirely a good comparison. Comparing Obama's temporary job when he was little more than a kid to Trump's situation where he seemingly takes off one hat and then puts an entirely different one on. Obama already had a political career before running for president.
However I do agree that the continued lampooning of Trump has become a bit tired now. He's got the job, let him get on with it and he will either succeed or fail - or more likely be somewhere in between.
Agree to disagree on that one, it is exactly the same. It is just a nonsense to lable someone by a previous job title when they have a new role. Saying Trump cannot fix the middle east because of a previous occupation? FFS.. things have retarded.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Syria:
Well he cant do worse than a Baskin Robbins ice cream server like Obama. What makes a fast food worker qualified to run foreign policy?
Couple of decades as a lawyer. Four years as a senator. Eight as President.
Against Trump's wealth of political experience in.... uh...
Business isn't politics, before you start.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Syria:
Well he cant do worse than a Baskin Robbins ice cream server like Obama. What makes a fast food worker qualified to run foreign policy?
Couple of decades as a lawyer. Four years as a senator. Eight as President.
Against Trump's wealth of political experience in.... uh...
Business isn't politics, before you start.
You are right.. business is far better experience than being a lawyer.
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@Catogrande said in Syria:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Syria:
Well he cant do worse than a Baskin Robbins ice cream server like Obama. What makes a fast food worker qualified to run foreign policy?
One News still refers to him as a reality TV star and not the President. It is just the usual tactics to delegitimize him.
Not entirely a good comparison. Comparing Obama's temporary job when he was little more than a kid to Trump's situation where he seemingly takes off one hat and then puts an entirely different one on. Obama already had a political career before running for president.
However I do agree that the continued lampooning of Trump has become a bit tired now. He's got the job, let him get on with it and he will either succeed or fail - or more likely be somewhere in between.
It is fucking ludicrous. If Obama had bombed a Syrian airstrip.... would his job at Baskin Robbins be mentioned? The left have just collectively lost its shit.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Syria:
It is fucking ludicrous. If Obama had bombed a Syrian airstrip.... would his job at Baskin Robbins be mentioned? The left have just collectively lost its shit.
If the media were digging up a job from 40 years ago for Trump, it would be equally ludicrous.
They're not.
Trump was on The Apprentice in the last decade. In fact, it probably resurrected his public profile. That's what he made his name on.
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There is also the contention by some, (I have no opinion), that the rebels have more incentive to gas Syrian citizens than Assad. That they did it - not Assad.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/may/6/syrian-rebels-used-sarin-nerve-gas-not-assads-regi/
I heard Rex Tillerson announce the Syrian people will get to choose if they want Assad or not. Two days after this, Assad gases his own people???? On the other hand, perhaps he is just a maniac who thought no one would take action against him.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Syria:
It is fucking ludicrous. If Obama had bombed a Syrian airstrip.... would his job at Baskin Robbins be mentioned? The left have just collectively lost its shit.
If the media were digging up a job from 40 years ago for Trump, it would be equally ludicrous.
They're not.
Trump was on The Apprentice in the last decade. In fact, it probably resurrected his public profile. That's what he made his name on.
Zero difference, they are equally irrelevant.
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given how quick Trump pulled the trigger, you gotta wonder if he let his emotions get the better of him, or he has a plan oridea of what he is going to do next...you cant just bomb them cos you it upsets you that you think they killed people, including kids.
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@taniwharugby said in Syria:
given how quick Trump pulled the trigger, you gotta wonder if he let his emotions get the better of him, or he has a plan oridea of what he is going to do next...you cant just bomb them cos you it upsets you that you think they killed people, including kids.
Nah its probably a contingency. But shit they'd want to have good intel if they're hitting airstrips.
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@NTA well, you'd think using the chemical attack as a reason for retaliation is more likely a convenient excuse given how long it would (or should) take to gather quality intel...although maybe he is better mates with Putin than anyone realises
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I heard Rex Tillerson announce the Syrian people will get to choose if they want Assad or not. Two days after this, Assad gases his own people???? On the other hand, perhaps he is just a maniac who thought no one would take action against him.
He felt he now had a full green light to end the unprising by any means he liked. IE he misread the communication. Saddam did almost exactly the same thing re Kuwait, thinking the US had told him he could do what he liked re the border dispute. If you are trying to end it ASAP & the Russians are covering you & the US has just made it formal policy that they are now OK with you staying, its game on.
Idlib is where the remaining resistance is. All those guys who got loaded into buses at the end of Alepo & allowed to go to a "safe" area? That area was Idlib.
Syria