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@Rembrandt said in Another attack in London:
What is it going to take for the average person to realise that attacks like this are because of islam?
I'd suggest the average person does know this.
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@Hooroo said in Another attack in London:
Oh Cool! Another thread discussing Islam.
I wonder how this is going to go.....
I don't get into much of the anti-islam stuff. But you can't really separate the topics of radical islamic terrorism and islam unfortunately.
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I don't care nor think about it as it doesn't affect how I go about my life.
I am interested in the going ons of the separate attacks etc. But the threads just deteriorate into peoples opions on islam and they are exactly the same threads we see over and over again and end up beig who can shout the loudest
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@Rembrandt said in Another attack in London:
@booboo But is too afraid to discuss it?
Maybe doesn't feel the need? Yet? Until an attack like this has a direct effect on them.
At which point they may stop and think hey this isn't just some stuff that happens to other people in far off places.
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@Hooroo I guess that is fair enough but are you not concerned at all where this could be leading? I've left the uk now but 3 major attacks in 2 months worries the hell out of me, slightly less so now that my sister has left but I still have many friends there and all I seem to see is huge attempts in politics and media to pretend there isn't an issue which is no where near addressing the problem.
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@Hooroo said in Another attack in London:
I don't care nor think about it as it doesn't affect how I go about my life.
I am interested in the going ons of the separate attacks etc. But the threads just deteriorate into peoples opions on islam and they are exactly the same threads we see over and over again and end up beig who can shout the loudest
That unfortunately is the result of seeing these attacks over and over again, not anyone having an overwhelming desire to discuss Islam. Have you seen any discussions about Buddhism or Mormonism lately?
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@Hooroo said in Another attack in London:
I don't care nor think about it as it doesn't affect how I go about my life.
I am interested in the going ons of the separate attacks etc. But the threads just deteriorate into peoples opions on islam and they are exactly the same threads we see over and over again and end up beig who can shout the loudest
@Hooroo said in Another attack in London:
I don't care nor think about it as it doesn't affect how I go about my life.
I am interested in the going ons of the separate attacks etc. But the threads just deteriorate into peoples opions on islam and they are exactly the same threads we see over and over again and end up beig who can shout the loudest
Only a matter of time before it happens in NZ. Over 80 of these scumbags under watch here.
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@booboo I think I was on that boat until the Bataclan attack. That massively resonated with me as it was a band I liked and I frequently used to shoot off to european destinations for a weekend to watch bands. My best mates work colleague was there and it messed him up terribly. My mate watched the westminster attacks live on cctv as he works in tfl on traffic orders and saw some horrific things, its made it all that much more real. I'm now at the point where I think ignoring the problem is just irresponsible.
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Even if Wahabbi Islam is solely responsible, the problem is unresolvable by slaughter - it's far too widespread, and every dead radical is replaced by another one from a near infinite supply.
The Qu'ran has issues, but so do the Old Testament and the Talmud. The real issue is the interpretation and message of the various associated churches, not the founding documents themselves. Neither mainstream Judaism or Christianity condones or supports murder, terrorism or wars, but they have in the past, and have moved away from that. Mainstream Islam has also moved away from that - it's the handful of really unpleasant sects that is the problem, not Islam as a whole.
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@Godder said in Another attack in London:
Even if Wahabbi Islam is solely responsible, the problem is unresolvable by slaughter - it's far too widespread, and every dead radical is replaced by another one from a near infinite supply.
The Qu'ran has issues, but so do the Old Testament and the Talmud. The real issue is the interpretation and message of the various associated churches, not the founding documents themselves. Neither mainstream Judaism or Christianity condones or supports murder, terrorism or wars, but they have in the past, and have moved away from that. Mainstream Islam has also moved away from that - it's the handful of really unpleasant sects that is the problem, not Islam as a whole.
Well it only took 3 pages for Christianity to somehow get lumped in with the ideology directly responsible for this attrocity.
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@Hooroo said in Another attack in London:
Oh Cool! Another thread discussing Islam.
I wonder how this is going to go.....
How on earth can you discuss an Islamic terror attack without discussing Islam?
I disagree that all threads on Islam end in who can shout the loudest. We've had some cracking debates in the past year with plenty of middle ground found between posters. It's a hugely important topic, and as @Kirwan says its only a matter of time before we see something similar in NZ, you'd have to bury your head in the sand to think otherwise.
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@Godder said in Another attack in London:
Even if Wahabbi Islam is solely responsible, the problem is unresolvable by slaughter - it's far too widespread, and every dead radical is replaced by another one from a near infinite supply.
What do you mean by slaughter?
The best way to stop terror attacks in the west is to actively stop Wahhabi Islam from spreading. That comes in the form of shutting down Mosques preaching this shit, and tightening up on immigration big time. A lot of people have this romantic idea that as soon as someone steps into a western country they "become western" and embrace western democracy, law and culture immediately. That just is not how humans behave - if you have been raised one way then it is very difficult to change in your adult life.
I'm not calling for a complete shutdown of immigration, but what you have in Europe is mass immigration of people from a vastly different culture who are at high risk of becoming radicalised, and those countries cannot cope. They just had to shut down a massive music festival in Germany due to security concerns - it's an absolute mess.
European leaders need to put their politcal agendas aside, admit they got it wrong and start actually doing something to fix what is happening, as their "thoughts" will be very little comfort to the victims of these attacks.
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@No-Quarter said in Another attack in London:
@Godder said in Another attack in London:
Even if Wahabbi Islam is solely responsible, the problem is unresolvable by slaughter - it's far too widespread, and every dead radical is replaced by another one from a near infinite supply.
What do you mean by slaughter?
The best way to stop terror attacks in the west is to actively stop Wahhabi Islam from spreading. That comes in the form of shutting down Mosques preaching this shit, and tightening up on immigration big time. A lot of people have this romantic idea that as soon as someone steps into a western country they "become western" and embrace western democracy, law and culture immediately. That just is not how humans behave - if you have been raised one way then it is very difficult to change in your adult life.
I'm not calling for a complete shutdown of immigration, but what you have in Europe is mass immigration of people from a vastly different culture who are at high risk of becoming radicalised, and those countries cannot cope. They just had to shut down a massive music festival in Germany due to security concerns - it's an absolute mess.
European leaders need to put their politcal agendas aside, admit they got it wrong and start actually doing something to fix what is happening, as their "thoughts" will be very little comfort to the victims of these attacks.
Imagine if European leaders got as angry about this as they did about Trump pulling out of the Paris accords.
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@Frank said in Another attack in London:
Terror timeline:
Reports of attack
Don't jump to conclusions
Might be terrorism
Oh, it is
Praise police
Light candles, recite poems
RepeatDon't forget to replace your Facebook profile pic with whatever emotional image is flying round the interweb at the time. I'm sure terrorists view that as a massive deterrant.
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@No-Quarter I suspect @Hooroo point is, the religious stuff (and some other stuff too) is infecting a number of threads.
Yes you are right, the issues seem to go hand in hand, but still doesnt mean the same things need to be trotted out in in every thread.
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@taniwharugby said in Another attack in London:
@No-Quarter I suspect @Hooroo point is, the religious stuff (and some other stuff too) is infecting a number of threads.
Yes you are right, the issues seem to go hand in hand, but still doesnt mean the same things need to be trotted out in in every thread.
Or maybe they do. Because silence is the ally of the status quo.... and the status quo fucking sucks.
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