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@No-Quarter I suspect @Hooroo point is, the religious stuff (and some other stuff too) is infecting a number of threads.
Yes you are right, the issues seem to go hand in hand, but still doesnt mean the same things need to be trotted out in in every thread.
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@taniwharugby said in Another attack in London:
@No-Quarter I suspect @Hooroo point is, the religious stuff (and some other stuff too) is infecting a number of threads.
Yes you are right, the issues seem to go hand in hand, but still doesnt mean the same things need to be trotted out in in every thread.
Or maybe they do. Because silence is the ally of the status quo.... and the status quo fucking sucks.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback yeah cos a small number of people on TSF discussing these issues over and over will solve the worlds problems....
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@taniwharugby said in Another attack in London:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback yeah cos a small number of people on TSF discussing these issues over and over will solve the worlds problems....
Exactly. We're like an echo chamber, its only us in here!
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@taniwharugby said in Another attack in London:
@No-Quarter I suspect @Hooroo point is, the religious stuff (and some other stuff too) is infecting a number of threads.
Yes you are right, the issues seem to go hand in hand, but still doesnt mean the same things need to be trotted out in in every thread.
Islam is at the heart of this issue. I find it a bit frustrating that people are willing to discuss a terror attack but completely unwilling to debate and educate themselves on what caused it.
The best thing anyone can do to help prevent this occuring is to actually educate themselves on Islam. The more people that genuinely understand what is happening, the sooner we will get to the best answer. What I see everywhere at the moment is people with 0 understanding of Islamic terrorism pushing their personal opinions, mainly based on their political agenda, and we don't get anywhere. It is frustrating, and I am happy to keep having this debate if it means we get more people opening their eyes to what is happening.
I think the Fern is a fantastic example of the kind of meaningful debates you can have when freedom of speech and expression are maintained and respected by most people on here.
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@taniwharugby said in Another attack in London:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback yeah cos a small number of people on TSF discussing these issues over and over will solve the worlds problems....
It doesn't have to be that way. By discussing it we can have our views tested and challenged. We can challenge others who have alternate views. Opinions can change. If enough people feel strongly about an issue a party will take that on and can thereby influence an outcome based on that issue. I've had a number of private discussions over the last few weeks which have covered elements discussed on these forums and I've found people feeling the same but thinking they were on their own as speaking out immediately had them branded a racist. By making it ok to discuss, to openly engage people in real life about these issues is going to be far move successful in finding a resolution than simply pretending the problems don't exist.
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@Rembrandt not saying it isnt ok to discuss it.
Is the fact that there are several threads that have the same theme running through them...Islam and Trump seen to play a big role in a few of them.
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@taniwharugby Yeah, I guess that's my fault. I could have left out the original lone wolf reference. Sorry about that.
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@taniwharugby said in Another attack in London:
Is the fact that there are several threads that have the same theme running through them...Islam and Trump seen to play a big role in a few of them.
I think the Trump stuff should be kept to the US politics thread as much as possible
As for Islam it is directly related to this topic.
Several threads that touch on Islam? What are they?
- The religion , morality pc thread. That seems valid
- The US politics thread, particularly when the President was visiting the middle east discussing policy. Yup valid
- Multiple islamic terrorism threads. Once again it's clearly valid
I don't see the problem?
If you don't want to discuss it, don't post in the thread(s). If you don't want to read it don't open the thread(s)
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"What is it going to take for the average person to realise that attacks like this are because of islam? "
A lot apparently as it's not politically correct to criticise any creed but Christianity these days.
For those who think Islam is not the problem, just read the verses below. While most Muslims are not terrorists, they do view non Muslims as immoral and inferior to Muslims. That sort of ideology has no place in today's society.
""Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and those who are with him are severe against disbelievers, and merciful among themselves." Quran 48:29
""Strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them." ~Quran 9:73
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@Duluth I already said they go hand in hand.
Several is more than 2...so this one, the religion one, the Politics one, Manchester to name 4...
BUt if you are happy with a merry go round regurgitate the same shit across multiple threads, your call.
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@Duluth said in Another attack in London:
@taniwharugby said in Another attack in London:
Is the fact that there are several threads that have the same theme running through them...Islam and Trump seen to play a big role in a few of them.
I think the Trump stuff should be kept to the US politics thread as much as possible
As for Islam it is directly related to this topic.
Several threads that touch on Islam? What are they?
- The religion , morality pc thread. That seems valid
- The US politics thread, particularly when the President was visiting the middle east discussing policy. Yup valid
- Multiple islamic terrorism threads. Once again it's clearly valid
I don't see the problem?
If you don't want to discuss it, don't post in the thread(s). If you don't want to read it don't open the thread(s)
Exactly. If people aren't interested/don't like these discussions then go to the multiple other threads available. Getting pissed off that Islam is discussed on a thread devoted solely to a terrorist attack by Muslim extremists is just weird. Seriously, what is it that makes people so damn squeamish about discussing this? Nobody batters a fucking eyelid when other religions are discussed.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Another attack in London:
@Duluth said in Another attack in London:
@taniwharugby said in Another attack in London:
Is the fact that there are several threads that have the same theme running through them...Islam and Trump seen to play a big role in a few of them.
I think the Trump stuff should be kept to the US politics thread as much as possible
As for Islam it is directly related to this topic.
Several threads that touch on Islam? What are they?
- The religion , morality pc thread. That seems valid
- The US politics thread, particularly when the President was visiting the middle east discussing policy. Yup valid
- Multiple islamic terrorism threads. Once again it's clearly valid
I don't see the problem?
If you don't want to discuss it, don't post in the thread(s). If you don't want to read it don't open the thread(s)
Exactly. If people aren't interested/don't like these discussions then go to the multiple other threads available. Getting pissed off that Islam is discussed on a thread devoted solely to a terrorist attack by Muslim extremists is just weird. Seriously, what is it that makes people so damn squeamish about discussing this? Nobody batters a fucking eyelid when other religions are discussed.
I think it bizarre people complain about multiple threads about Islamic terror attacks more than they complain about the reason there are so many new threads. They are new topics for new attacks.
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@taniwharugby said in Another attack in London:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback yeah cos a small number of people on TSF discussing these issues over and over will solve the worlds problems....
Don't want to pick on you TR as I respect you as a poster here, but this attitude is exactly why we aren't getting anywhere. Discussing issues over and over is exactly how world problems get solved. That's why I really encourage anyone I talk to about this to educate themselves as much as possible, and don't be afraid to debate it. I can't stress the importance of that enough - it's critical to finding the best solution to this because as you say, when we reach the point of someone ploughing their Van through a crowd of people (because they believe they will be rewarded in the afterlife) there's fuck all Police can do to stop them.
And as @Rembrandt says, discussions here lead to discussions with other people, which leads to discussions with more people. Given how interconnected humans are you are only really a few people away from reaching thousands. Right now we are battling a PC culture that shuts down discussing issues in an open and honest way, so I really value this forum.
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for the record, I do avoid most of the other threads I mentioned as it is just the same stuff said over and over by the same people, so I guess sadly this will be another that I add to my ignore list.
@No-Quarter as I said above, I never said not to discuss it, just I get fed up of entering threads I have an interest in contributing and seeing the same things I see in other threads I no longer pay much attention too.
We should all change our FB pics though, cos that wil have the same impact as the arguments here.
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@taniwharugby I think you're missing my point, but fair enough if you'd rather ignore the problem. I've always been interested in world affairs, and I'm also a British citizen with plans to move over in the next few years so I have a very keen interest in developments.
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@No-Quarter not sure what point I am missing...did I say I ignore the problem? no you have assumed it because I dont wanna bang on about it adnauseum.
BTW, my wife is English, I have inlaws and friends there, so it is a big deal to me too.
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