Champions Trophy
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I'll add that if McCullum had been captaining last night I reckon we would have won comfortably. He would have piled into Mahmadullah and Shakib with Boult and Milne instead of letting the foot off the throat with Neesham - and shortly after - Santner.
Thought he also had a point that they should have sent out the left-handed Neesham ahead of Broom, when the bowling had tied down the two right handers (Kane and Ross) - resulting in Kane foolishly running himself out - though actually Broom did quite a good job, before chucking his wicket away.
Hesson rarely if ever varies his batting order though - more imagination required there, Mike!
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Disappointed but not surprised. It always looked a weak squad with bit players and others coming back from injury. Williamson will learn from this. Guess it is time to rebuild for next World Cup.
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Even with Kane, the Black Caps were humiliated. Losing by 87 runs and 5 wickets (against the Bangas) is pretty bad.
But yes, Kane and Luteru carried the batting. The only NZ batsmen who averaged more than 30 runs in the CT. It's funny, people say that Luteru is out of form, but he averaged 49.33 in this tournament and averages 55 and has scored the most runs for NZ in 2017.
I saw a stat earlier that said Kane has been run out 3 out of his last 4 innings. That's bloody woeful. At first, I thought it was Luteru, but maybe it's just Kane?
His partners at the time were Brownlie, Broom, and Luteru.I guess this is the end for Ronchi. I wonder if Broom (33) will also make way for the younger guys.
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Man that's hugely disappointing. As @Chris-B said to be 200/4 then only add 60 odd runs from the final 10 overs, then having them 33/4, that's bloody criminal not to put them away comfortably, let alone fucking lose.
We need to re-think our 6-7-8 axis. We've got three allrounders and only one of them actually commands a spot in the team for one of their disciplines (Santer, ball). Neesh and Anderson are not good enough as batsmen or bowlers, but make the team because they can do both to a reasonable standard. We can probably afford to have one of them but we need another specialist batsmen or bowler depending on conditions.
Ronchi came off against Aus so wasn't a complete failure, but unfortunately it counted for nothing because of the fucking rain. I said before the tournament we were very reliant on Guppy, Kane and Rosco to score all of our runs - they scored most of them but Guppy didn't convert his starts and they had 0 support from anyone else.
Also, as @Chris-B said I think we were too conservative. Reading Baz's book he said Hess was very conservative while he was always super attacking, and between them they struck a balance. I think either Kane needs to try and emulate Baz's captaincy more to find a better balance, or Hess needs to learn from this game. 33/4 should be foot firmly on the throat with only 6 (mostly tailender) wickets to get.
Oh well, thankfully given the Lions outrageous schedule we've got plenty of rugby to take our minds off this in the meantime.
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@mimic Rossco's had a pretty sensational year in ODIs - score-wise. He's only had three single figure scores. The comment I'd make about him on this tour is that he's never really looked fluent and he's been pretty slow for large chunks of his innings - accelerating towards the end, but if he gets out before he gets a chance to put his foot down for a decent period of time, he ends up having used up quite a lot of balls.
But, presumably this is the role Hesson is asking of him - and our lower middle order has certainly shown they can't be trusted if he got out early!
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In the washup you can see some poor captaincy. But I also never felt confident like I have in the past with the side selected.
Ronchi is a "hold ya breath and hope and anything over 15 is a bonus" opener.
Roscoe well and truly stifling things when upping the pace was needed.
A middle order that is laughable really.
A really weak 5th bowling option that has huge pressure on them if the 3rd and 4th are taking some stick.
Anyway, time to find a real opener and drop Ronchi down to 7 if he is still going to be in the side. Neesham's bowling should be shelved.
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@ACT-Crusader In all honesty, the Champions Trophy is nothing more than a warm-up tournament for the World Cup, similar to soccer's Confed Cup.
Unless Hesson seriously thinks that the likes of Ronchi, Broom etc are his guys for the next WC, this would have been a good place to see how guys like George Worker, Tom Latham, Glenn Phillips, even Scott Kuggeleijn, handle the tournament setting.
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England raging hot favourites to take it out.
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Yeah - all we needed to do to make the semifinals was to beat Bangladesh....FFS!!!
I think there definitely needs to be a bit of a clean out in the ODI team with a view to the CWC now. Problem is - I'm short on ideas of good options to bring in.
The next cabs on the rank have been pretty underwhelming when I've seen them.
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That's the conundrum
For every opinion calling for someone to be replaced, nobody offers the solutions
There aren't too many aside from shuffling deck chairsMight have to go through the repeated pain of 18 months of blooding young ones again (trying to think of them..ummmm....)
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@No-Quarter I used to think of Santner as an all rounder, back in the day he could be relied upon a for a good 30 runs each time. But then his batting went to shit. So I think he's just a bowler nowadays, maybe a bit high due to past feats. And we can't have Neesham and Anderson, they are too alike and unfortunately not good enough at either discipline (especially Anderson, who is definitely living on past glories.) Ronchi shouldn't be anywhere near the openers, and it's a sad state of affairs when a temporary measure and old timer like Broom still continues to be needed as he his.
It makes me worry about cricket at a domestic level, that we don't have young guys full of piss and vinegar ready to step up and unleash. Is it a coaching thing? Is it lack of top quality opposition? I don't want to go straight to lower player numbers, because in the past we have held our own. But this Champions Trophy has been a disappointment of collapses. -
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@Bovidae said in Champions Trophy:
Pakistan beats England by 8 wickets in the SF.
I can see India winning this.
Bloody Pakistan, could there be a more inconsistent team in any sport?
Comon Bangladesh!!!!