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@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
If the extent of your argument is simply that you are right because you say you are.. stop posting, it is pointless.
But your posts on the subject are simply your take on things. Do you have evidence that 'the FBI bought the findings as they couldn't get access to come up with their own.'
I'm not evening arguing a point. I'm trying to point out something about the subject that I know from a source (admittedly without being able to disclose that source)
If you want to ignore that, then fine, go ahead, continue making an erroneous argument. I'm more than happy for all my posts on the subject to be deleted (along with your quotes of them)
Comey said under oath
“multiple requests at different levels” to gain access to the devices for their investigations, but in the end they needed to rely on a private company hired by the DNC to “share with us what they saw.”
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I only know what I know and can confirm it wasn't crowd strike and the company wasn't employed by the DNC.
This has nothing to do with devices so the quote is most likely not about the evidence I know about which was more traffic and link related.As I can't say much more that is all I will add. Believe what you like.
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@No-Quarter said in US Politics:
The unrest in the States is really starting to escalate now. Bloody sad to see.
And it's not because of a handful of Neo-Nazis. It's because dishonest as fuck media outlets and dumb fuck celebs are conflating the term "alt-right" to include just about everyone on the right, tarring people's names and making it appear like there is this massive group of white suptemists taking over America. Which just couldn't be further from the truth.
Jordan Peterson as an example has to repeatedly call out dishonest journalists that keep referring to him as "far right" or "alt-right". Utterly ridiculous.
And now they've cottoned on to the fact a protest against Google is planned over their treatment of James Damore. So the media automatically claims it is an "alt-right, white supremist" protest. Which is not true. So what will happen is these people will peacefully protest, Antifa and BLM will turn up armed with clubs and attack, and the dishonest media will report "more violence at alt-right protest".
I am really starting to question the motives of a large chuck on the left. They appear to actively want the USA to fail. Tear it all down in a bloody, murderous revolution.
I'm not sure of an easy way out of this mess now. The Marxists have really infected left wing politics and the movement doesn't appear to be going anywhere soon - spurred on by MSM outlets like CNN, celebrities, corporations like Google, and of course the Universities where it all began.
I agree with all of that but you could also swap it all around and talk about the large number of left leaning folk that are sick of being called 'libtards', 'leftards' and 'snowflakes' as soon as they voice an opinion.
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@Crucial said in US Politics:
I only know what I know and can confirm it wasn't crowd strike and the company wasn't employed by the DNC.
This has nothing to do with devices so the quote is most likely not about the evidence I know about which was more traffic and link related.As I can't say much more that is all I will add. Believe what you like.
Oh FFS. You know what you know.But have no evidence or information. Cool story....
Evidence is over rated aye....
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You chose a private company to investigate this stuff if you have things to hide.
Scenarios are different thus.
Scenario 1.
Private company gets called in to investigate breach, they ask for access to a server, client says, NO, that server/data/archive isn't relevant/ available.. investigator goes... ok. And makes a note of the limitation in final report.
Scenario 2 Govt agency gets called in to investigate breach, they ask for access to a server, client says, NO, that server/data/archive isnt relevant/ available.. investigator goes... we will decide that , not you. Now give us access, or we will obtain access via a warrant because we are investigating a crime.So no, calling in a company and calling in the govt gets in no way equal results.
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@Crucial said in US Politics:
@No-Quarter said in US Politics:
The unrest in the States is really starting to escalate now. Bloody sad to see.
And it's not because of a handful of Neo-Nazis. It's because dishonest as fuck media outlets and dumb fuck celebs are conflating the term "alt-right" to include just about everyone on the right, tarring people's names and making it appear like there is this massive group of white suptemists taking over America. Which just couldn't be further from the truth.
Jordan Peterson as an example has to repeatedly call out dishonest journalists that keep referring to him as "far right" or "alt-right". Utterly ridiculous.
And now they've cottoned on to the fact a protest against Google is planned over their treatment of James Damore. So the media automatically claims it is an "alt-right, white supremist" protest. Which is not true. So what will happen is these people will peacefully protest, Antifa and BLM will turn up armed with clubs and attack, and the dishonest media will report "more violence at alt-right protest".
I am really starting to question the motives of a large chuck on the left. They appear to actively want the USA to fail. Tear it all down in a bloody, murderous revolution.
I'm not sure of an easy way out of this mess now. The Marxists have really infected left wing politics and the movement doesn't appear to be going anywhere soon - spurred on by MSM outlets like CNN, celebrities, corporations like Google, and of course the Universities where it all began.
I agree with all of that but you could also swap it all around and talk about the large number of left leaning folk that are sick of being called 'libtards', 'leftards' and 'snowflakes' as soon as they voice an opinion.
Those are just insults. Labels such as racist, Nazi and white supremacist are far far worse and are straight out slander. In fact, it's absolutely ridiculous to even equate them.
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@Crucial Man there is no where near an equivalency there.
The Google protest is against google firing someone for telling some incredibly verifiable facts in an internal memo. The press is now equating that to being Nazi supporters. What do you think the logical outcome from the masses of Black Lives Matter, Antifa, Social Justice Warriors who are now out for blood following the Charlottesville disaster?This escalation is absolutely sickening. Even from my own circles people are blindly following this completely false media narrative. What you're white and think there are biological difference between men and women? Well then you must be a Nazi and being a Nazi we are well within our rights to hit you.
How far away is that from, "we are in our rights to kill you, since your idealogy killed one of us"? This is going to be very bad and it will have far reaching consequences throughout the western world.
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http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/346151-alt-right-plans-free-speech-march-against-google
and you can guarantee there will be more as those are pretty click baity headlines that will be hard to resist
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@Rembrandt said in US Politics:
http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/346151-alt-right-plans-free-speech-march-against-google
and you can guarantee there will be more as those are pretty click baity headlines that will be hard to resist
Thanks mate. Thats not what I read from those articles but if its what you saw, I'm sure plenty of others feel the same way.
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@phoenetia said in US Politics:
@Rembrandt said in US Politics:
http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/346151-alt-right-plans-free-speech-march-against-google
and you can guarantee there will be more as those are pretty click baity headlines that will be hard to resist
Thanks mate. Thats not what I read from those articles but if its what you saw, I'm sure plenty of others feel the same way.
The alt-right is a really small movement inspired by guys like Richard Spencer, who it's fair to say is a white nationalist. There has also been another movement whereby more and more people are pushing back on and ridiculing the idiocy of Identity Politics, including stupid concepts like white priviledge etc. There's not really an apt name to describe this as it is made up of people on both the left and right. Those are the types of people that want to protest against Google, and are not white supremists/nazis/mysoginists/whatever other insult gets thrown at them for not following the Marxist inspired politics.
The media sites above irresponsibly calling them "alt-right":
- immediately dismisses anything they have to say because nazis.
- gives an impression that there is a large group of white supremists in the States and the West when there isn't.
- gives them something to point at to explain Trump instead of looking inwards at the massive problems with left wing politics today.
- feeds conflict and legitimises the violence from Antifa and BLM (CNN just did what is not far off a puff piece on Antifa FFS)
This is the bullshit that caused Gollum to have a meltdown as he believed white supremists were taking over. It's not true, it's divisive as fuck and it creates massive unrest leading to violence. I have absolutely no time for any of those once reputable media outlets anymore.
When you consider the last poll on interracial couples in the States showed 95% of people having no issue with it, and add to that the fact there will be black people within the 5% opposed, that doesn't leave a lot of room for this supposedly "big" group of racists they wank on and on and on about.
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I think it is more the loudness of the alt right voice, and the next, less extreme group feeling empowered to push their ideas that concerns me.
You only have to read some of the threads on this board over the last year to see alt-right views being defended (partially or fully) by people that wouldn't necessarily be 'alt-right' themselves.
If the Nazi analogy has to be used then it probably equates to those with extreme views gaining groundswell support though a few less extreme tenets. People saying 'you know what, some of what they are saying makes sense to me, I get where they are coming from'. To go full Godwin on it, not all those Germans cheering at Nazi rallies wouldn't necessarily support genocide but they provided power to those that did. -
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
I only know what I know and can confirm it wasn't crowd strike and the company wasn't employed by the DNC.
This has nothing to do with devices so the quote is most likely not about the evidence I know about which was more traffic and link related.As I can't say much more that is all I will add. Believe what you like.
Oh FFS. You know what you know.But have no evidence or information. Cool story....
Evidence is over rated aye....
All I have tried to do is throw a piece of information into the mix and said that I cannot provide a detailed explanation of how I know this.
I have clearly stated that anyone can choose to believe me or not, even suggested that the whole posts on the topic be deleted if no one is interested in anything without absolute proof.
There is no need to belittle my posts as a 'cool story', people are free to choose whether to believe or not.
I DO have evidence and information. I am just not going to share to that level on a public board. I am happy in knowing what I know and have not tried to argue that everyone should believe me regardless.
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@Crucial said in US Politics:
I think it is more the loudness of the alt right voice, and the next, less extreme group feeling empowered to push their ideas that concerns me.
You only have to read some of the threads on this board over the last year to see alt-right views being defended (partially or fully) by people that wouldn't necessarily be 'alt-right' themselves.
If the Nazi analogy has to be used then it probably equates to those with extreme views gaining groundswell support though a few less extreme tenets. People saying 'you know what, some of what they are saying makes sense to me, I get where they are coming from'. To go full Godwin on it, not all those Germans cheering at Nazi rallies wouldn't necessarily support genocide but they provided power to those that did.What alt-right views that even come close to what was on display in Charlottesville have been defended here?
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
I think it is more the loudness of the alt right voice, and the next, less extreme group feeling empowered to push their ideas that concerns me.
You only have to read some of the threads on this board over the last year to see alt-right views being defended (partially or fully) by people that wouldn't necessarily be 'alt-right' themselves.
If the Nazi analogy has to be used then it probably equates to those with extreme views gaining groundswell support though a few less extreme tenets. People saying 'you know what, some of what they are saying makes sense to me, I get where they are coming from'. To go full Godwin on it, not all those Germans cheering at Nazi rallies wouldn't necessarily support genocide but they provided power to those that did.What alt-right views that even come close to what was on display in Charlottesville have been defended here?
Where have I said they were? Either you have misread my post or it is poorly written and has mislead you.
My point is more about how loud voices in the extremities (both sides) can resonate with and embolden others.
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@Crucial said in US Politics:
I think it is more the loudness of the alt right voice, and the next, less extreme group feeling empowered to push their ideas that concerns me.
You only have to read some of the threads on this board over the last year to see alt-right views being defended (partially or fully) by people that wouldn't necessarily be 'alt-right' themselves.
If the Nazi analogy has to be used then it probably equates to those with extreme views gaining groundswell support though a few less extreme tenets. People saying 'you know what, some of what they are saying makes sense to me, I get where they are coming from'. To go full Godwin on it, not all those Germans cheering at Nazi rallies wouldn't necessarily support genocide but they provided power to those that did.Not true. Nobody on here has defended the core beliefs of the alt-right.
What you're talking about is the fact that those on the alt-right agree with the sharp criticism of left wing narratives, particularly when it comes to "white priviledge".
That does not, in any way, make the person laying that criticism a "less extreme" version of a Nazi.
For example, Ben Shapiro absolutely tears the idea of white priviledge apart. The alt-right would love that argument, but at the same time he has received over 8000 anti-semitic tweets and messages from alt-right people. So is Shapiro a "less extreme" version of a Nazi?
And this is where a lot of confusion has arisen. People (including myself) didn't really have a clear idea of exactly what the alt-right was, as the term gets thrown around all over the place. Milo helped muddy the waters by trying to claim the term, but in reality he's a gay Jewish man that loves sleeping with black guys, so is despised by people of Richard Spencer's ilk.
I hope these posts help clarify the current situation a bit - it's taken me a while to get my head around TBH.
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@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
I think it is more the loudness of the alt right voice, and the next, less extreme group feeling empowered to push their ideas that concerns me.
You only have to read some of the threads on this board over the last year to see alt-right views being defended (partially or fully) by people that wouldn't necessarily be 'alt-right' themselves.
If the Nazi analogy has to be used then it probably equates to those with extreme views gaining groundswell support though a few less extreme tenets. People saying 'you know what, some of what they are saying makes sense to me, I get where they are coming from'. To go full Godwin on it, not all those Germans cheering at Nazi rallies wouldn't necessarily support genocide but they provided power to those that did.What alt-right views that even come close to what was on display in Charlottesville have been defended here?
Where have I said they were? Either you have misread my post or it is poorly written and has mislead you.
My point is more about how loud voices in the extremities (both sides) can resonate with and embolden others.
"You only have to read some of the threads on this board over the last year to see alt-right views being defended (partially or fully) by people that wouldn't necessarily be 'alt-right' themselves."
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