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@donsteppa said in US Politics:
They could spend less without mistreatment - and also without separating families.
How exactly? Mistreatment? How? And what is your proof they are separating families? That is kinda the issue these so called called families cannot prove they are families at all.
If just anyone can claim asylum and be released, never to come back to face the judges assessment.. how is that not an open border?
I'm not advocating that.
Yes you are, you just don't seem top realise it. How do they not seperate the kids from adults and maintain border security? Trump is already trying to get law changes, but that doesnt seem to placate the mob.
So why they are choosing to trying to sneak in? In addition to my initial bleeding heart liberal solutions of:
- Yes, they could take personal responsibility and not turn up, but they have turned up and here we are.
- Harsh justice for scum of the earth people smugglers/traffickers who will tell people what they want to hear, charge huge sums of money in the process, and deliver only misery.
.... What's the incentive to try and sneak across illegally? The US isn't renowned for substantive long term welfare benefits in reward for illegal border crossings. From a quick Google of Texas: https://www.texastribune.org/2016/12/14/lawmakers-go-easy-employers-undocumented-workers/
Because they are not actually families maybe? Because a adult is a multiple time illegal immigrant and therefore faces felony charges? An adult is a convicted felon? Because Obama made it that if you come with a minor, you get into the US easier than if you are a adult on their own?
If you are a true asylum seeker looking to save your family... you have proof you are a family and use the border crossingsBusiness interests rely on undocumented immigrant workers, while pro-immigrant activists fight to protect the labor rights of those facing abuse and exploitation. When the Chamber of Commerce and the American Civil Liberties Union are on the same side of an issue at the Capitol, they’re hard to beat.
Hence why the never Trumpers are also virtue signalling and lying, not out of empathy.... but greed.
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How exactly? Mistreatment? How? And what is your proof they are separating families? That is kinda the issue these so called called families cannot prove they are families at all.
I think we've crossed purposes there - I've not been as clear as I should. I was trying to note and acknowledge/agree with your comment of spending US$35k as not a bad figure. Still don't need to separate the families - i.e. $30k and keeping them together on the face of it could be good too...
Re: "And what is your proof they are separating families?" I' not trying to prove anything - I'm assuming that members of the White House aren't making the comments that they are on fake news.
Yes you are, you just don't seem top realise it. How do they not seperate the kids from adults and maintain border security? Trump is already trying to get law changes, but that doesnt seem to placate the mob.
There's plenty of examples of refugee camps, holding camps - whatever terms you want to use - where families can stay together.
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@donsteppa said in US Politics:
How exactly? Mistreatment? How? And what is your proof they are separating families? That is kinda the issue these so called called families cannot prove they are families at all.
I think we've crossed purposes there - I've not been as clear as I should. I was trying to note and acknowledge/agree with your comment of spending US$35k as not a bad figure. Still don't need to separate the families - i.e. $30k and keeping them together on the face of it could be good too...
Re: "And what is your proof they are separating families?" I' not trying to prove anything - I'm assuming that members of the White House aren't making the comments that they are on fake news.
Yes you are, you just don't seem top realise it. How do they not seperate the kids from adults and maintain border security? Trump is already trying to get law changes, but that doesnt seem to placate the mob.
There's plenty of examples of refugee camps, holding camps - whatever terms you want to use - where families can stay together.
Yes and they can in the U.S. southern border. If they are actually families, use a border crossing and aren't felons. Which of those criteria do you think is unfair?
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@baron-silas-greenback I read the separation as happening regardless of whether they "are actually families", triggered automatically by the crossing away from the usual points as requiring prosecution.... though where they aren't genuine families, in those cases something hellish is going on beyond issues of (non)family seperation.
The Attorney General directed United States Attorneys on the Southwest Border to prosecute all amenable adults who illegally enter the country, including those accompanied by their children, for 8 U.S.C. § 1325(a), illegal entry. Children whose parents are referred for prosecution will be placed with the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR). The following are Frequently Asked Questions regarding Zero Tolerance Immigration Prosecutions.
Why Are Parents Being Separated From Their Children?
The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) may separate a parent or legal guardian from his or her child for several reasons, including situations where DHS cannot ascertain the parental relationship, when DHS determines that a child may be at risk with the presumed parent or legal guardian, or if a parent or legal guardian is referred for criminal prosecution, including for illegal entry.
Perhaps you can have "heart and security":
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If you rob a 7/11 or steal a car or assault somebody and get caught in America, unbelievably the courts there 1) don’t let you off ‘cos you got a child; and 2) don’t let you bring your kids and family into prison to live with you. Totally deplorable the way they treat criminals who break the law, at least, ever since Trump became president and cruelty took over. The authorities there take their kids and put them into foster care, separating families. It really is just like Nazi Germany..
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Well, well, welll. And the name on the byline, of all people, is Michael Isikoff. The winds of change...
Obama cyber chief confirms 'stand down' order against Russian cyberattacks in summer 2016
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Even the NYT — not exactly known as card-carrying members of the DJT Fan Club — admits this literally Nazi Germany concentration camp policy had been going on for 22 years, since the Clinton adminstration:
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O in ‘14. “Don’t send your kids... if they make it, we’ll send them back.”
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So. Entirely. Predictable.
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Even the leftist politically-correct fact-checking “service” Snopes (aka a woman and her cat) couldn’t wiggle out of this one.
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This happened on Obama’s watch, before Drumpf even announced his candidacy for POTUS.
Do you remember media and politicians gnashing about it, crying on TV, and claiming the Gestapo was running Amerikkka? No? Me neither. But never forget, Drumpf is uniquely awful.
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@salacious-crumb said in US Politics:
This happened on Obama’s watch
Yes, I believe you have mentioned that already
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Time magazine published a cover story with pic of small girl crying, Photoshopped to make her look like she’s confronting Drumpf.
Didn’t take a day for border agents and the father of the child to tell reporters the child was NEVER separated from her parents; she was crying ‘cos, well, as anybody who has children would know, sometimes little kids cry for the dumbest reasons imaginable.
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My response to this Time front cover furore is a big fat 'so what'?
The picture was trying to portray a real 'issue'' , the fact the child wasn't separated isnt really that relevant. The underlying point the left wing media is trying to make is still the same.
The only real impact that the new facts show is that it gives Trump supporters something to latch on to as a counter narrative, and it will be very effective.The whole child seperation thing has been a left wing political beat up, and the response is going to a right wing beat up. It is a battle of dishonest narratives.
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If one was very cynical you could argue that the Democrats wouldn't give two fucks if this wasnt a future and vital voter base. I hope that isn't true, but who knows with these morally corrupt pigs.
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Interesting interview with a Border Patrol agent here, he must see some awful stuff every day. That's one hell of a job.
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The delightful Seth Rogan has such Republican Derangement Syndrome that even young fans have to suffer for the perceived grievous sins of their father. What a prize fuckwit.
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GOP/RNC just dropped a new TV ad this past half-hour featuring Maxine and some of her liberal Hollywood friends titled “UNHINGED” and it’s awesome.
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