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@jc Cheers JC. Here I was thinking that being a good citizen and making a positive difference in the community, using time and talents to help others was incredibly meaningful. But nope. The only way is offspring. So I guess the ones in the news, who have ten kids or whatever have the absolute most meaningful lives and should be revered like saints.
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@mokey said in NZ Politics:
@jc Cheers JC. Here I was thinking that being a good citizen and making a positive difference in the community, using time and talents to help others was incredibly meaningful. But nope. The only way is offspring. So I guess the ones in the news, who have ten kids or whatever have the absolute most meaningful lives and should be revered like saints.
this is a spectacularly bitter post.
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@mokey said in NZ Politics:
@jc Cheers JC. Here I was thinking that being a good citizen and making a positive difference in the community, using time and talents to help others was incredibly meaningful. But nope. The only way is offspring. So I guess the ones in the news, who have ten kids or whatever have the absolute most meaningful lives and should be revered like saints.
Good for you. And I mean that - I would never try to dictate to others what is important and/or meaningful in their life. I was only relating a personal experience to the point that @mariner4life was making - that we should allow for women to take time off to have kids regardless of their job as for a lot of people that is a hugely important part of their lives.
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@mariner4life You can get fucked also.
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@mokey said in NZ Politics:
@mariner4life You can get fucked also.
by way of a peace maker, here's a (nother) cat
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Well that escalated quickly.
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@taniwharugby Ha. I admire mothers. I admire working mothers. I admire childless women. I admire any woman who is making a positive difference in both her world and the world in general. What I loathe is worth allocated to a woman by whether or not she has kids. That is backward Handmaid's Tale bullshit.
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@mokey said in NZ Politics:
@taniwharugby Ha. I admire mothers. I admire working mothers. I admire childless women. I admire any woman who is making a positive difference in both her world and the world in general. What I loathe is worth allocated to a woman by whether or not she has kids. That is backward Handmaid's Tale bullshit.
do anyone except other women still do that? (serious question by the way, my piss takes are below)
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@mariner4life Childless women (whether unable to have kids or just not wanting them) get shit every damned day. (Policies etc aside) look at the abuse Helen Clark copped for it. You're told only mothers know how to love/care/show empathy or compassion. That if the world was run by mothers, there would be no issues blah blah wank wank. That is the 'most important' job. That working women should be at home with the kids, not in the office or wherever. What is the first question a newlywed couple gets asked? When are you having kids. Ditto if you have one. When are you having the next? And it comes from all ages, men and women. it gets used as an insult. No kids? Gosh she must be a raving butch or whatever. I bet she HATES kids. So unfeminine. Unnatural. Look at the responses and hate that have appeared on this forum around the topic of abortion.
People aren't nearly as modern and progressive as they think they are.
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I think being a good parent is the most important job one can do, in theory the possibilities of making a positive change in the world through raising great kids can be near limitless..so too the negative consequences to the world of being a terrible parent.
Enjoy that immense pressure parents! I will personally be making the most of the lack of responsibility that childlessness currently affords me.
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@mokey said in NZ Politics:
@mariner4life Childless women (whether unable to have kids or just not wanting them) get shit every damned day. (Policies etc aside) look at the abuse Helen Clark copped for it. You're told only mothers know how to love/care/show empathy or compassion. That if the world was run by mothers, there would be no issues blah blah wank wank. That is the 'most important' job. That working women should be at home with the kids, not in the office or wherever. What is the first question a newlywed couple gets asked? When are you having kids. Ditto if you have one. When are you having the next? And it comes from all ages, men and women. it gets used as an insult. No kids? Gosh she must be a raving butch or whatever. I bet she HATES kids. So unfeminine. Unnatural. Look at the responses and hate that have appeared on this forum around the topic of abortion.
People aren't nearly as modern and progressive as they think they are.
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@mariner4life said in NZ Politics:
@mokey said in NZ Politics:
@jc Cheers JC. Here I was thinking that being a good citizen and making a positive difference in the community, using time and talents to help others was incredibly meaningful. But nope. The only way is offspring. So I guess the ones in the news, who have ten kids or whatever have the absolute most meaningful lives and should be revered like saints.
this is a spectacularly bitter post.
...and this is one of the more stupid posts I've seen on here.
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@mokey said in NZ Politics:
@mariner4life Childless women (whether unable to have kids or just not wanting them) get shit every damned day. (Policies etc aside) look at the abuse Helen Clark copped for it. You're told only mothers know how to love/care/show empathy or compassion. That if the world was run by mothers, there would be no issues blah blah wank wank. That is the 'most important' job. That working women should be at home with the kids, not in the office or wherever. What is the first question a newlywed couple gets asked? When are you having kids. Ditto if you have one. When are you having the next? And it comes from all ages, men and women. it gets used as an insult. No kids? Gosh she must be a raving butch or whatever. I bet she HATES kids. So unfeminine. Unnatural. Look at the responses and hate that have appeared on this forum around the topic of abortion.
People aren't nearly as modern and progressive as they think they are.
Agree with quite a bit of that, especially the last sentence. It's especially cruel when people get shit for not having kids when they've tried, but actually can't for whatever reason.
As much as I loathe Adern's politics and can't stand the sight of her and her twat partner, she's 37, so they've obviously been trying for a while and wouldn't have had the luxury of holding off until after the election. At that age, you've got a pretty slim chance of getting pregnant, for the first time anyway.
Even though it's a biological urge, not everyone wants kids and it's a fact some people regret having them and actually hate their kids.
I agree with mariner4life that if a woman wants to have a child, she should have support and not have her career affected, but I guess having a child and then a year or two out can have an impact. Two of the women in my team work less than 5 days a week and one has both kids at school, so why the fuck does she need a day at home? Lifestyle. She earns more than her husband too. I've heard of guys saying they'd like to be a stay-at-home dad and the wife has said, like fuck you are! It probably has a lot to do with how we're socialised and there's no reason women can't be the one earning more in a relationship, but do women really respect men that stay at home? Genuine question.
In the end, it's whatever works for each couple.
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I see your School Captain has announced, to an excited nation, the name of her widely loved new sprog.
My money was on Neve R Trump Ardern, seeing as how she is ruly, ruly mature and wordly - which was sort of close.
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I'm setting myself to get smacked down here ... but am I showing my old man whiteness in thinking that you're trying just a little too hard using a Maori name when you're not.
I think it's a lovely (middle) name but it just seems a little too ... ummm ... dunno ... woke.
Am I a racist arsehole?
Just reminds me of looneys like the Bains who used Maori names because they were somehow ... I dunno ... hippy.
Debating long and hard about posting this.
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@louis said in NZ Politics:
@mokey said in NZ Politics:
@mariner4life Childless women (whether unable to have kids or just not wanting them) get shit every damned day. (Policies etc aside) look at the abuse Helen Clark copped for it. You're told only mothers know how to love/care/show empathy or compassion. That if the world was run by mothers, there would be no issues blah blah wank wank. That is the 'most important' job. That working women should be at home with the kids, not in the office or wherever. What is the first question a newlywed couple gets asked? When are you having kids. Ditto if you have one. When are you having the next? And it comes from all ages, men and women. it gets used as an insult. No kids? Gosh she must be a raving butch or whatever. I bet she HATES kids. So unfeminine. Unnatural. Look at the responses and hate that have appeared on this forum around the topic of abortion.
People aren't nearly as modern and progressive as they think they are.
Agree with quite a bit of that, especially the last sentence. It's especially cruel when people get shit for not having kids when they've tried, but actually can't for whatever reason.
As much as I loathe Adern's politics and can't stand the sight of her and her twat partner, she's 37, so they've obviously been trying for a while and wouldn't have had the luxury of holding off until after the election. At that age, you've got a pretty slim chance of getting pregnant, for the first time anyway.
Even though it's a biological urge, not everyone wants kids and it's a fact some people regret having them and actually hate their kids.
I agree with mariner4life that if a woman wants to have a child, she should have support and not have her career affected, but I guess having a child and then a year or two out can have an impact. Two of the women in my team work less than 5 days a week and one has both kids at school, so why the fuck does she need a day at home? Lifestyle. She earns more than her husband too. I've heard of guys saying they'd like to be a stay-at-home dad and the wife has said, like fuck you are! It probably has a lot to do with how we're socialised and there's no reason women can't be the one earning more in a relationship, but do women really respect men that stay at home? Genuine question.
In the end, it's whatever works for each couple.
That is a good question. What chance does a divorced/separated stay-at-home dad have in attracting a "top quality" partner? Sweet fa I'd imagine.
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@jc said in NZ Politics:
@mokey said in NZ Politics:
@no-quarter said in NZ Politics:
@mariner4life said in NZ Politics:
@no-quarter said in NZ Politics:
taking months off is not really an option
this is going to open me for attack but
why not? Having kids is important. smart, successful people having kids is important. Why should we put in barriers that stop this?
I have battled to see why people give a shit about this. But, i have tried to look at it with someone elses eyes. A woman in a very high position having a kid and keeping her job is a massive deal to a lot of people who may have missed out on the same thing due to prevailing attitudes.
We in the west are addicted to work. And we have allowed work to take over our lives in larger and larger ways. And it gets worse and worse as we stay more and more connected.
That's a good take, I don't really have a retort to that. Having kids is infinitely more meaningful than any job you can do. Still think it could be planned a bit better, but fair enough.
Oh fuck off.
It's OK Mokey, you can come over here with the other childless people and drown your sorrows whilst we all talk about how empty and pointless our lives are.
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