March for Men Australia
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@gt12 said in March for Men Australia:
Silly. I doubt that the Victoria police want the organizers to do their own security; may end up with gangs or ALT right groups moving in to such services. Just make a few arrests of the silly protestors, you stupid muppets.
Interesting rabbit hole you have opened there.
So if they organise their own group of thugs to be security, and the security threaten to beat the shit out of protesters... do the protesters get sent the bill for being protected from security? -
@gt12 said in March for Men Australia:
Silly. I doubt that the Victoria police want the organizers to do their own security; may end up with gangs or ALT right groups moving in to such services. Just make a few arrests of the silly protestors, you stupid muppets.
Sadly Axiomatic did employ an alt-right group to do some of the security in Melbourne... They can't really claim ignorance either, I have it on good authority that someone with clout informed the head but they chose either to disbelieve the warning or went ahead knowinngly anyway. Not a great look from a 'christian' organisation.
The Vic police thing is so dumb. Lefties are organising an Anti Donald Trump Protest next month, basically this means that all the alt-right have to do is get a large violent group together and attack the lefties in order to get the lefties charged for having a demonstration. What a precedent to set...
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@Rembrandt Awesome! Well done mate.
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So found out all the details regarding this lady friend and her moving with her daughter. I'm a bit torn to be honest.
So the story is that they lived in Brisbane together for a number of years, but he wanted to move back to his home town in northern NSW (about 4 hours from Brisbane). She moved with him and they had a daughter. They broke up when daughter was 3. She toughed it out for 2 years but was miserable in this small town. She was also the primary caregiver and had the child most of the time. She wanted to move. He didn't and threatened to take it to the courts. She offerred him large amount of money for him to visit regularly and to avoid courts. He refused.
Now the problem I have is that this was apparently pretty much a slam dunk case. As mother and primary caregiver, courts will pretty much always take their side. The lawyer for the ex obviously convinced him otherwise (obviously he'd have to motivation for doing so) and it went on for close to two years.
I can sympathise with both sides here. Very difficult situation.
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@rancid-schnitzel That's fucked. Shit situation for everyone alright. That's the kind of thing that will break a man, the cost of 2 years in court only to lose because he has been supporting his family and in society's eyes has the 'wrong' genitalia to be a parent. Of course a reverse result wouldn't be any better either. I wonder if because the daughter wasn't yet school age might have removed any potential weighting for not disrupting their lives.
Just watched this brief Ted Talk by Cassie Jaye on her look into the Mens Rights Movement.
She describes well the difference between hearing people speak and listening to them. I go on about journalists being some of the worst sort of people on the planet but this describes them well, just so blinded by bias they lose a sense of logic and appear to be totally unaware of it.8
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@rembrandt said in March for Men Australia:
@rancid-schnitzel That's fucked. Shit situation for everyone alright. That's the kind of thing that will break a man, the cost of 2 years in court only to lose because he has been supporting his family and in society's eyes has the 'wrong' genitalia to be a parent. Of course a reverse result wouldn't be any better either. I wonder if because the daughter wasn't yet school age might have removed any potential weighting for not disrupting their lives.
Just watched this brief Ted Talk by Cassie Jaye on her look into the Mens Rights Movement.
She describes well the difference between hearing people speak and listening to them. I go on about journalists being some of the worst sort of people on the planet but this describes them well, just so blinded by bias they lose a sense of logic and appear to be totally unaware of it.8
The two things that struck me were (a) she was never going to lose that case because she was the mother, and (b) the ex's lawyer bullshitted him into believing he was actually going to win.
The shit that goes on during these trials is also shocking. The lawyers dig into your past and try and question your moral character, fitness as a parent etc. I guess the moral of the story is to try harder to make it work. So many couples with young children breaking up these days. I know from personal experience how hard that period is (and we are talking years of exhaustion and very little intimacy) but it seems so many prefer to pull the pin rather than fight for it. Obviously that's easy to say when you don't know the details, but I've been shocked by what now appears to be some kind of epidemic.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel I agree. I was watching a Nigel Latta programme on the human mind last night and they talked about the three stages of love - lust, passionate love, then attachment. The first two operate on dopamine, and I wonder if the way our society today is more geared towards temporary happiness over long term meaning, once the first two are over people just get bored and pull the pin seeking that dopamine hit again.
The kids always lose in that situation, even if the parents are amicable to each other. Sad to see it becoming more commonplace.
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q@no-quarter said in March for Men Australia:
@Rancid-Schnitzel I agree. I was watching a Nigel Latta programme on the human mind last night and they talked about the three stages of love - lust, passionate love, then attachment. The first two operate on dopamine, and I wonder if the way our society today is more geared towards temporary happiness over long term meaning, once the first two are over people just get bored and pull the pin seeking that dopamine hit again.
The kids always lose in that situation, even if the parents are amicable to each other. Sad to see it becoming more commonplace.
I think that hits the nail on the head. The explanation I keep hearing is that the husband feels left out or resents playing second fiddle. What do you farking expect? Your wife is feeding and taking care of a tiny human who requires 24 hour monitoring for the first few years. Doesn't help when wife is back at work within a year. If you put your own needs first in that situation then you shouldn't have kids in the first place.
That isn't of course to say that some women don't make ridiculous demands on their husbands when they're working full time and they're at home.