Should the Crusaders change their name?
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@Chris said in Should the Crusaders change their name?:
Here we go again you complete utter fukwit Simon Arkwright link text](link url)https://i.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/112293188/crusaders-missed-a-chance-to-take-the-lead-after-christchurch-shootings
Marketing expert Simon Arkwright didn’t miss a chance to exploit the massacre to gain profile though .
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The herald actually believes people are prepared to pay for this kind of garbage?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12225749
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An appalling load of tripe from beginning to end. I counted at least a dozen factual inaccuracies in that piece. Awful click bait. One of the very worst Rugby-related articles I have ever read.
His main arsertion that NZR is intolerant of faiths other than Christianity. I think someone needs to remind Mr Gregor Paul that one of the most high-profile All Blacks of recent years is Sonny Bill Williams.
Everyone at the NZ Herald should ashamed that such a terrible, terrible article was published in their newspaper.
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@sparky said in Should the Crusaders change their name?:
An appalling load of tripe from beginning to end. I counted at least a dozen factual inaccuracies in that piece. Awful click bait.
His main arsertion that NZR is intolerant of faiths other than Christianity. I think someone needs to remind Mr Gregor Paul that one of the most high-profile All Blacks of recent years is Sonny Bill Williams.
Everyone at the NZ Herald should ashamed that such a terrible, terrible article was published in their newspaper.
He's been a bit of a tool for a while now, he just stepped things up to become a fluffybunny.
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@jegga said in Should the Crusaders change their name?:
The herald actually believes people are prepared to pay for this kind of garbage?
@sparky Geez, that's a crap article, indeed! I'm not going into the Crusaders name change nonsense in this article, but this bit is also b&llsh&t:
The issue, though, is that the game here only seems to cater for only one religion. However much everyone in authority here says they understand inclusion, diversity and respect, they understand it from a Christian perspective. There is an underlying assumption within New Zealand rugby that if players turn up with religious beliefs, they will be Christian — be it Catholic, Anglican, Protestant, Presbyterian, Baptist or whatever. The prevailing religious hegemony coupled with players who wear the Christian cross so visibly on their person deepens the perception rugby is a game founded in a Christian country, played in predominantly Christian countries, and therefore open only to Christians. It seems rugby authorities can't connect the dots — that if they allow professional players to be so overtly expressive with their Christianity that they won't have players who hold other religious beliefs knocking on the door to come play.
Gregor Paul has obviously missed how the Blues have allowed SBW to cover certain sponsor names on the sleeves of his jersey because they were contrary to Islam. He has obviously also not noticed how SBW and Ofa Tu'ungafasi say a quick prayer after scoring a try or after the game. They're muslims. Maybe he hadn't noticed that either?
SBW is probably the player most known for his faith, and its not the Christian faith.
There's nothing, absolutely nothing preventing players writing atheist, islamic, hindu or buddhist writings on their wristbands. And he has obviously also missed that a lot of players write the names of their loved ones on their bandages, other things that inspire them, or some quick reminders of what they need to focus on during the game.
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@sparky said in Should the Crusaders change their name?:
Going further back Josh Kronfeld is from a Jewish background, Sid Going is a Mormon. The claim that the NZR and the All Blacks are at all associated with religious discrimination and intolerance is false.
Sid Going was the first person that came to mind reading that article too, Mormonism is Christian but it’s on the outer extremes of it like being a Jehovahs Witness. He was a fair while ago now though .
Honestly how do the heralds management expect anyone to part with $250 a year to read garbage like that ? You can’t even line your budgies cage with it after you’re done with it .
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@jegga said in Should the Crusaders change their name?:
@sparky said in Should the Crusaders change their name?:
Going further back Josh Kronfeld is from a Jewish background, Sid Going is a Mormon. The claim that the NZR and the All Blacks are at all associated with religious discrimination and intolerance is false.
Sid Going was the first person that came to mind reading that article too, Mormonism is Christian but it’s on the outer extremes of it like being a Jehovahs Witness. He was a fair while ago now though .
Honestly how do the heralds management expect anyone to part with $250 a year to read garbage like that ? You can’t even line your budgies cage with it after you’re done with it .
Todd Miller was related to the Goings and was a Mormon. Paused his career to do the door knocking and never was as good again.
So a more recent example.
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Anyone know Rocky Khans religious background? I’m guessing dads likely a Christian but some religions like Judaism are carried on mums side and Catholics make the blokes convert to the wife’s religion.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/8238004/Rocky-Khan-a-sevens-player-with-a-difference
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@Kirwan said in Should the Crusaders change their name?:
@jegga said in Should the Crusaders change their name?:
@sparky said in Should the Crusaders change their name?:
Going further back Josh Kronfeld is from a Jewish background, Sid Going is a Mormon. The claim that the NZR and the All Blacks are at all associated with religious discrimination and intolerance is false.
Sid Going was the first person that came to mind reading that article too, Mormonism is Christian but it’s on the outer extremes of it like being a Jehovahs Witness. He was a fair while ago now though .
Honestly how do the heralds management expect anyone to part with $250 a year to read garbage like that ? You can’t even line your budgies cage with it after you’re done with it .
Todd Miller was related to the Goings and was a Mormon. Paused his career to do the door knocking and never was as good again.
So a more recent example.
Jared Going was even later , Eric Rush did point out he was a Mormon who liked a beer or two . Pretty much every Muslim I’ve ever met liked an occasional drink too .
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@Stargazer said in Should the Crusaders change their name?:
@jegga said in Should the Crusaders change their name?:
The herald actually believes people are prepared to pay for this kind of garbage?
@sparky Geez, that's a crap article, indeed! I'm not going into the Crusaders name change nonsense in this article, but this bit is also b&llsh&t:
The issue, though, is that the game here only seems to cater for only one religion. However much everyone in authority here says they understand inclusion, diversity and respect, they understand it from a Christian perspective. There is an underlying assumption within New Zealand rugby that if players turn up with religious beliefs, they will be Christian — be it Catholic, Anglican, Protestant, Presbyterian, Baptist or whatever. The prevailing religious hegemony coupled with players who wear the Christian cross so visibly on their person deepens the perception rugby is a game founded in a Christian country, played in predominantly Christian countries, and therefore open only to Christians. It seems rugby authorities can't connect the dots — that if they allow professional players to be so overtly expressive with their Christianity that they won't have players who hold other religious beliefs knocking on the door to come play.
Gregor Paul has obviously missed how the Blues have allowed SBW to cover certain sponsor names on the sleeves of his jersey because they were contrary to Islam. He has obviously also not noticed how SBW and Ofa Tu'ungafasi say a quick prayer after scoring a try or after the game. They're muslims. Maybe he hadn't noticed that either?
SBW is probably the player most known for his faith, and its not the Christian faith.
There's nothing, absolutely nothing preventing players writing atheist, islamic, hindu or buddhist writings on their wristbands. And he has obviously also missed that a lot of players write the names of their loved ones on their bandages, other things that inspire them, or some quick reminders of what they need to focus on during the game.
Gregor Paul displaying the awareness of a single-cell organism. How astonishing that a predominately Christian country has the majority of religious rugby players adhering to the majority faith.
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Not sure the worth in actually reading the article. I suppose I should ...
... but the conspiracy theorist in me suggests a deeper motive to this than just to get clicks. Stuff to do with name changes, diversity and "inclusion" ... and since when did "journalists" get to write what they think as opposed to what they're paid to write?
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I suspect it has nothing to do with clickbaits and everything to do with GP’s own secular self-righteous Woke religion of tolerance and inclusivity for everybody that believes the same thing they do. I’m sure he believes everything he typed. It’s a cult, but they can’t see it for what it is, they cloak it in “progressivism.”
Ordinarily I like Gregor, but he should stick to rugby and leave the culture alone, that commentary is well-intentioned but embarrassing.
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And who’s to say new Kiwis who pracitice their Muslim faith would want to play rugby even if the Christian “culture” was eliminated or hidden from the game? There’s still plenty of agnostics and atheists who play rugby, and presumably many Muslims wouldn’t want to play with them either.