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@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
Corbyn-supporting Lily Allen responds to the publication of Labour's election Manifesto.
God all-fucking-mighty.
And to think they bang on about the economic impact of Brexit. There's an entire generation that needs to learn a valuable economic lesson. How a party with Corbyn, Abbott and McDonnell can attract more than eight people to it is astonishing.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback I too have resigned to the apparent reality that the western world needs yet another lesson on why these empty "ideas" can't work in our current societal structure.
Overwhelmingly it's just a horrible waste of time and progress, so yeah, the sooner we go through this "revelation " the better.
As an aside, Niall Ferguson commented that Brexit will take years and years of processing, FTA negotiations, laws being ratified etc. So no it doesn't go away nicely and comfortably whatever the outcome.
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@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
How about that..its illegal to protest. I'm guessing the qualifier is that it is only illegal if the person you are protesting has a vajayjay and is anti-Brexit....because I'm pretty sure there are maybe a couple hundred examples in the last year even where this was actually fine against folk with doodles or who believed in democracy.
That strikes me as harassment, not protesting.
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@Siam said in British Politics:
As an aside, Niall Ferguson commented that Brexit will take years and years of processing, FTA negotiations, laws being ratified etc. So no it doesn't go away nicely and comfortably whatever the outcome.
TBF, we've had that and would continue to have that with EU membership as well.
Plans are afoot for an EU-wide income tax system, EU military integration and opening up of health care systems to EU-wide competition.
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@MajorRage said in British Politics:
Corbyns moves don’t really hurt her.
Posted it as an extreme example of emotion trumping intelligence....
But you're right, it's also an example of privileged, rich people wishing for things to make them feel good, knowing the down-sides won't impact them.
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@MajorRage said in British Politics:
The VAT on school fees is the most poorly thought through govt plan I’ve ever read.
"Left wing Labour MPs will never abolish private schools. Well, not until their own children have finished their expensive schooling at them" Norman Tebbit
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@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@MajorRage said in British Politics:
Corbyns moves don’t really hurt her.
Posted it as an extreme example of emotion trumping intelligence....
But you're right, it's also an example of privileged, rich people wishing for things to make them feel good, knowing the down-sides won't impact them.
It's not emotion it's play acting
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@Bones said in British Politics:
@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
How about that..its illegal to protest. I'm guessing the qualifier is that it is only illegal if the person you are protesting has a vajayjay and is anti-Brexit....because I'm pretty sure there are maybe a couple hundred examples in the last year even where this was actually fine against folk with doodles or who believed in democracy.
That strikes me as harassment, not protesting.
Off the top of my head I can think of two physical assaults against Carl Benjamin, one against TR (and multiple death threats) and protesters targetting Jacob Rees Mogg's school age children. These were regarded as 'protests' and there was no police action despite them being witness on at least one occasion. What this woman did was no more than par of what politicians, especially those that don't fit a certain agenda, have to deal with regularly (Corbyn got a right earful today from some place up north..aren't fans of the IRA). I'm not saying what she was doing is right or good but it just reeks of a double standard.
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@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
@Bones said in British Politics:
@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
How about that..its illegal to protest. I'm guessing the qualifier is that it is only illegal if the person you are protesting has a vajayjay and is anti-Brexit....because I'm pretty sure there are maybe a couple hundred examples in the last year even where this was actually fine against folk with doodles or who believed in democracy.
That strikes me as harassment, not protesting.
Off the top of my head I can think of two physical assaults against Carl Benjamin, one against TR (and multiple death threats) and protesters targetting Jacob Rees Mogg's school age children. These were regarded as 'protests' and there was no police action despite them being witness on at least one occasion. What this woman did was no more than par of what politicians, especially those that don't fit a certain agenda, have to deal with regularly (Corbyn got a right earful today from some place up north..aren't fans of the IRA). I'm not saying what she was doing is right or good but it just reeks of a double standard.
There has certainly been an escalation over the years of what has been viewed as protesting and what people have been prepared to do. This is not a good thing, regardless of agenda. I'm glad that this level stuff is now being viewed as harassment, and being dealt with, as such.
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@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
Off the top of my head I can think of two physical assaults against Carl Benjamin, one against TR (and multiple death threats) and protesters targetting Jacob Rees Mogg's school age children.
The worse JRM one was where they crowdfunded for a Brexit Supporter to rent the house next to his and shout Stop Brexit at the top of his lungs all day long.
Funny if a leftie does it, intimidation and harassment the other way.
Good thing he has many houses.
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@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
@Bones said in British Politics:
@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
How about that..its illegal to protest. I'm guessing the qualifier is that it is only illegal if the person you are protesting has a vajayjay and is anti-Brexit....because I'm pretty sure there are maybe a couple hundred examples in the last year even where this was actually fine against folk with doodles or who believed in democracy.
That strikes me as harassment, not protesting.
Off the top of my head I can think of two physical assaults against Carl Benjamin, one against TR (and multiple death threats) and protesters targetting Jacob Rees Mogg's school age children. These were regarded as 'protests' and there was no police action despite them being witness on at least one occasion. What this woman did was no more than par of what politicians, especially those that don't fit a certain agenda, have to deal with regularly (Corbyn got a right earful today from some place up north..aren't fans of the IRA). I'm not saying what she was doing is right or good but it just reeks of a double standard.
It's media driven or given cover by journalist with certain political bents. It does seem to come mainly from the Left though.
E.g. when Farage, his wife, and children were targeted by "anti facsist" protestors while having a meal at a restaurant and assaulted, The Guardian published an editorial defending it, saying it was simply in the tradition of robust political discourse.
I'm just amazed that people try to stop the likes of TR or the BNP's Nick Griffin from speaking, as it simply plays into their hands. Once they do speak, people can see what they really are. Griffin went downhill rapidly once he had been seen on Question Time.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
@Bones said in British Politics:
@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
How about that..its illegal to protest. I'm guessing the qualifier is that it is only illegal if the person you are protesting has a vajayjay and is anti-Brexit....because I'm pretty sure there are maybe a couple hundred examples in the last year even where this was actually fine against folk with doodles or who believed in democracy.
That strikes me as harassment, not protesting.
Off the top of my head I can think of two
I'm just amazed that people try to stop the likes of TR or the BNP's Nick Griffin from speaking, as it simply plays into their hands. Once they do speak, people can see what they really are. Griffin went downhill rapidly once he had been seen on Question Time.
That's exactly right. I'm a firm believer in the 'Sunlight is the best disinfectant' idea. Griffin was destroyed once people got wind of who he was. The idea that censorship stops bad ideas is completely wrong, censorship allows bad ideas to go unchallenged and fester. If peoples opinions can't be discussed then violence becomes an alternative.
Not to derail this thread as there is a whole thread in him but from everything I've looked into him TR doesn't fall into the Griffin category hence why many are going to huge lengths to silence him which is the exact wrong thing to do.
It will be interesting to see if this prosecution is the new standard or just a double standard. We'll see soon enough.
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@MiketheSnow said in British Politics:
For all the calls of BBC bias, ITV are rank amateurs.
Hard watch. The host was fucking useless.
Two jobs, ask questions and keep them in line.
Failed miserably in the latter.
And wtf was with her calling for Johnson and Corbyn to make pledges.
Get fucked.
Corbyn won the night for me on a great answer to a trite question
'What would you get the other person for Christmas? '
Corbyn would give Johnson a copy of 'A Christmas Carol'
It appears that Corbyn will be receiving flounder.
Corbyn "won the night" tonight too, easily as Boris was such a carcrash (on BBC question time). The audience booed Bozza, and he was stumped a few times, called out on his previous comments about "Muslim women looking like letterboxes" something about "bumboys" and was asked if he would apologise and he wouldn't....
Corbyn had every Scottish person target him about their chance for independence and he still stood by and said no, not a priority. I like to hear "No", it shows someone who wants to stick to the plan and not just people please and then fail to deliver.Even if Conservative had a few right ideas, they still have that bumbling fool and plenty more like him.
I'm absolutely Corbyn thus far.
It's a shame this election is such an important one and we have rubbish results all around either way. Such uncertain times.
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@R-L Cool you don't like Boris. But what policies of Corbyns do you like?
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@R-L said in British Politics:
The audience booed Bozza, and he was stumped a few times, called out on his previous comments about "Muslim women looking like letterboxes" something about "bumboys" and was asked if he would apologise and he wouldn't....
Genuine question. Do you think he should have apologised?
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@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
If peoples opinions can't be discussed then violence becomes an alternative.
We've been fortunate so far and I think UKIP/Farage have provided a reasonably decent home for those with more traditional views rather than the likes of the BNP.
There's a way too strong "you're too stupid to know what's good for you" attitude in politics which is quite poisonous.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in British Politics:
@R-L Cool you don't like Boris. But what policies of Corbyns do you like?
This in particular is highly useful to look at, not saying I agree with all of it, and for sure do not care about broadband promises.
https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Funding-Real-Change-1.pdfI don't like Boris, and he does come across as a fool so I stand by that, Corbyn is less bumbling, I don't hold a huge grudge again conservatives either though,just yet to see their manifesto and funding if they provide one to make an overall informed decision.
It's very much promises promises all round as usual.
I have family members that are Conservative to the core and in laws that are Labour and that's that, neither will ever budge opinion regardless of what is offered and I hate the snobbery around politics.
I've not taken an interest in politics for a very long time so I absolutely want to make the right decision when I vote, so if you could tell me the most convincing arguments for either side I'd honestly pay attention.
All I know is that I am an individual with particular interests in NHS, its staffing in particular. Every year its pressures are increasing at GP level to see more patients, particularly the salaried GPs not the Partners, and in Hospitals there just seems to be huge amount of understaffing, nursing in particular, if staff employment has gone up then they are not looking at their attendance figures because staff sick leave must be at its highest.
Also can anyone tell me about a specific issue and how we could be effected by a no deal brexit with owning a property within the EU.
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@R-L I'll have a go at answering some of your questions, albeit in brief. Corbyn and co are trying to make this election all about the NHS (as did Boris with the Brexit referendum) as they know ti is a sacred beast as far as the British populace is concerned. The problems facing the NHS are huge and multi-layered, it is not simply about funding. Other problems are probably more important as they impact upon funding levels. Waste within the NHS is huge, both on an individual level and a management level. Are there figures for this? Not that I know of, but I do know a number of people who work with or for the NHS in several different areas and they all tell the same tale. Add to that the problem of misuse of NHS time and resources by patients and you have a behemoth spiralling out of control. Simply adding more money does not solve any problems and that is not even considering where that money comes from.
The Labour scaremongering about the Tories selling off the NHS is founded on what? Perhaps it is founded on the fact that during the 77 odd years that the NHS has been in existence, the Tories have been in power for 44 years and they have not sold anything off yet.
In regard to the broader issues of socialism or not, I find that the best argument against it is the quote (can't remember who) saying "The problem with Socialism is that sooner or later you run out of other people's money".
I'm guessing you were born in the late 80's? Pardon me if I'm wrong. But if so you will not have experienced true socialism in the UK. In the decade and a bit before, we had strikes galore, crippling the economy and truly impacting upon everyday people's lives. We had the Fire Brigade out on strike for months, the Army having to step in and try and fill the breech. People died because of this. We had council workers on strike, again for months, meaning that huge piles of rubbish were left to rot on city streets for weeks on end. We had a miners' strike (no, not the Thatcher one) that reduced the country to having blackouts most evenings and the country being forced into working a three day week for several months.
Imagine if you will, in the city you now live, the lights go out at 8pm, no TV, no broadband, no electric kettles. Outside the rubbish is piled 20 feet high on the street corners. Your salary has just been chopped by 40% because you can only go into work for three days a week but your Mars Bar costs 20% more than it did last year. The country, our country was bankrupt, we were the equivalent of a 2011 Greece, we had double digit inflation year on year with interest rates swinging wildly. It took over 20 years to eradicate the mess that was left behind.
Corbyn's manifesto threatens to take us back to those times and perhaps beyond.
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