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@Bones said in The Folau Factor:
@MajorRage sometimes I wish I wasn't an imbecile and could articulate.
But anyway...."you're".
Sorry, I don't follow.
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@MajorRage said in The Folau Factor:
@Siam said in The Folau Factor:
@Snowy said in The Folau Factor:
@Siam said in The Folau Factor:
@Snowy said in The Folau Factor:
I was told by a wise man when undergoing some training, "never miss the opportunity to say nothing" i.e. unless you are asked a question don't answer it, you may have it wrong.
A shame Foolhardy wasn't told the same thing.
That's wise?
An opportunity arose the other day while watching a 2 year old wander into oncoming traffic.
So glad I was wise enough to say nothing.But seriously, all these woke speech "crimes" are only ever "obvious" after the fact aren't they?
That no one can define exactly what hate speech is and how it's selectively adjudicated on ( e.g., the n word is a crime to only some and a right to others) is a big red flag for it's efficacy in society. Nobody definitively knows the rules yet everyone is a nodding, frowning expert after the event. That can't work, it can only garner fear and give power to bad faith hypocrites ( Justin trudeau and blackface)
Saying nothing for fear of being wrong got thousands of girls repeatedly raped under the jurisdiction of woke police forces in Britain.
We must have a better strategy to deal with nasty words in society than "say nothing just in case you get in trouble"
Wow, way to mis interpret something. Seriously are you drunk?
I must be I guess. Sorry to misinterpret but I thought you were saying that Israel shouldn't have said anything. I took that and wondered how anyone would foresee the life changing ramifications of him verbalising his beliefs, like about 2 billion other people do in the world everyday.
Didn't mean any offense, maybe should have added a few smileys.
Wasn't that your point? That he would be better off not saying anything?
Just my view but you need to get away from this "either you're with me, or with the Rotherham gangs" sort of post which is a bit of a recurring theme. Otherwise you'll continue to get accused of being drunk. Or maybe you are, I dunno?
Israel, like anybody else in the free world, can do or say what he wants. But that doesn't make him free from all backlash. I'm not comfortable that the punishment fits the crime, not at all. However reality is that if he wants future sporting employment (and lets remember, that quite a privileged position) showing some real contrition, and facing the controversy around his views head on with some genuine understanding of the other side, wouldn't hurt. Instead it seems (from what I've seen anyway, and I don't follow the guy religiously (!!!) but all he seems to do is try and suggest he's saying it with love ... whatever that means.
I'll be straight up - I wouldn't hire him. Not interested in the publicity that comes with him, and also dealing with backlash from the wokerati & the LGBT rugby community. The comparison to his approach compared to SBW, who is equally as religious, is contrasting.
Great post, Thanks rage. I think you're right.
I'm having a lot of trouble with general double standards and hypocrisy, particularly with other people lecturing on how people should live and behave. Identity politics and judging people by immutable characteristics shits me to tears, especially because the western world had made such huge strides in saying "meh" to these characteristics, untill the last decade.
I have been in Australia a couple of years after 20 odd in South East Asia and I'm shocked at how people live so complacently and seem to " sweat the small stuff" in western societies. But that's my burden to bear.
Edit: no mainly it's the shit stirring, outrage generating media that appalls me most.
So many rights, so few personal freedoms. Laws for everything that's covered by common sense in developing countries. Again, my burden to bear and I miss the evaluation of unknown and known people's behaviour being assessed with a shrug of shoulders and the comment " up to them" and end of discussion.
So much emphasis on words and not deeds. Changing meanings and declaring common adjectives as hate speech. I've seen to many actual tragedies in life to bother with words. My burden...
I been on the fern since about 03? so I reckon you guys are acclimated to my shtick, and I try to give examples to my bollocks, but I get that I scurry down rabbit holes and lump many variables together.
I'm used to a life where people are too busy getting by day to day to get outraged by strangers and reports. Then I come to you poor bastards on the fern to set it all right๐
However, if you call my contributions " shit", then sure I want an explanation for the insult and vice versa. Courtesy.
I read your post again rage, and thanks.๐
Yours sincerely,
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@No-Quarter said in The Folau Factor:
@barbarian said in The Folau Factor:
@Mick-Gold-Coast-QLD said in The Folau Factor:
Voodoo - do please spare me the naivety and the hyperbole.
My children watched the Sydney Gay Mardi Gras from the crowded footpath on Oxford Street when my son was small enough to sit on my shoulders and two of his three sisters on each hip. He is 44 now so that makes it mid 1980s, 3ยฝ decades ago.
I see now that the Mardi Gras commenced 6 years before that, 4 decades ago. Stigmatized for decades?
I met homosexual blokes in San Francisco in 1990 who were playing rugby, ten years before the formalisation of the team in which Mark Bingham was involved. Peter Allen was widely enjoyed and well known by the time he sang "I go to Rio" in 1976. That's 3 decades and 4 decades.
Graham Kennedy, as camp as a row of tents and everybody knew it but didn't care, was the king of Australian television from 1960 to 1995. At his funeral in 2005 one of his mates delivering the eulogy claimed he had received a fax from Graham in Heaven, addressed to Derryn Hinch. Mike McColl Jones read: "I've got a hot flash for him - it's rife up here. Only a few minutes ago I saw Oscar Wilde holding hands with Chips Rafferty." I don't recall the nation being a palled or a poplectic.
In about 1985 my then 10 year old son and I walked out of Leichhardt Oval behind a big young bloke who had impressed me going around in reserve grade, playing for my beloved Souths. Ten years later, after proving himself to be one of the most able, fearless stoushers on the field he (Ian Roberts) announced he was homosexual. We knew from about 1990 but it was no big deal - he was the real McCoy as a front rower. That'll be 3 decades ago as well.
You allude to systematic bashing of homosexuals - the River Torrens attacks were the most well known and they changed things markedly. They occurred half a century ago.
You are way behind the times Voodoo, old enough but demonstrably unaware. Some may be "genuinely disturbed" by that.
At the end of your angry fable I see this, much like a loose fence paling hanging out the back of the ute on the way to the tip, unattached, irrelevant: "Foley deserved every fucking thing he got" Who is Foley? What did he do wrong? Or was he a deserving Lotto winning mate of yours?
So your argument here is:
- Mardi Gras was a thing, therefore there was no stigma.
- There were gay people in the 60s and 70s that we all liked
- Ian Roberts was gay and we didn't run him out of town
- The gay bashings all occurred decades ago, so ancient history
Nothing more to see here then. Why do these gay people complain so much?
I mean sure recent stats show that LGBTI young people between the ages of 16 and 27 are five times more likely to attempt suicide, but that's just because they don't realise there isn't a problem here. They need to harden up like old Baz the truckie and have a laugh!
If you lump transgender people in with gay people then that will significantly skew the statistics. Also, the main reason transgender people commit suicide is because they cannot reconcile their mind with the body they've been born in - I.E. they have a mental illness called Gender Dysphoria that requires professional treatment. That's a completely different kettle of fish to sexuality.
I'd be interested to see a more nuanced breakdown of those statistics that separates the groups within LGBTQI, and also look at it by gender as males in the general population are far more likely to not only attempt suicide but succeed in their attempt as well.
Another example of how men are superior to women. Yea, go guys!
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@jegga said in The Folau Factor:
@Bones can you wait another five or so before replying? Just got to grab a beer, snacks and get comfortable
I usually miss all the good shitfights
Tell me about it. There's nothing more upsetting than logging into the Fern and seeing a bunch of deleted posts and a couple of red banners next to people's handles knowing you missed all the fun.
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@No-Quarter said in The Folau Factor:
@jegga said in The Folau Factor:
@Bones can you wait another five or so before replying? Just got to grab a beer, snacks and get comfortable
I usually miss all the good shitfights
Tell me about it. There's nothing more upsetting than logging into the Fern and seeing a bunch of deleted posts and a couple of red banners next to people's handles knowing you missed all the fun.
I know right? Soul destroying
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@voodoo said in The Folau Factor:
Maybe we need a separate read-only thread, that only the mods can post in, where they paste for posterity all the deleted posts and arguments?
It'll be a big bloody thread.... Prolly just rename the Politics forum....
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@Snowy said in The Folau Factor:
@Hooroo said in The Folau Factor:
Prolly just rename the Politics forum....
Really don't want to go there.
wanna fight?
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@Hooroo said in The Folau Factor:
@Snowy said in The Folau Factor:
@Hooroo said in The Folau Factor:
Prolly just rename the Politics forum....
Really don't want to go there.
wanna fight?
You're on. See you in the politics threads.
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@Snowy said in The Folau Factor:
@Hooroo said in The Folau Factor:
@Snowy said in The Folau Factor:
@Hooroo said in The Folau Factor:
Prolly just rename the Politics forum....
Really don't want to go there.
wanna fight?
You're on. See you in the politics threads.
(In Capn Barbossa pirate voice) I hope you like Politics threads Mr Snowy, you're in one ...
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@booboo said in The Folau Factor:
@Snowy said in The Folau Factor:
@Hooroo said in The Folau Factor:
@Snowy said in The Folau Factor:
@Hooroo said in The Folau Factor:
Prolly just rename the Politics forum....
Really don't want to go there.
wanna fight?
You're on. See you in the politics threads.
(In Capn Barbossa pirate voice) I hope you like Politics threads Mr Snowy, you're in one ...
I've been in a couple. It usually doesn't end well, although Hooroo is one of the least likely to get a suit made out of himself.
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@booboo said in The Folau Factor:
@Hooroo said in The Folau Factor:
@booboo "Capt"
Aaahh but they call 'im Capn.
(I was being phonetic)In that case "ye"
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@booboo said in The Folau Factor:
@Hooroo said in The Folau Factor:
@booboo "Capt"
Aaahh but they call 'im Capn.
(I was being phonetic)Nice use of an apostrophe there, and I am technically "Capt Snowy" but Mr works fine, at least a little respect, that I don't usually get (or earn, if I'm honest).
This thread has gone off track a little...
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@Snowy said in The Folau Factor:
@booboo said in The Folau Factor:
@Hooroo said in The Folau Factor:
@booboo "Capt"
Aaahh but they call 'im Capn.
(I was being phonetic)This thread has gone off track a little...
Thank God!!
There you go, back on track now....
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