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@junior said in British Politics:
@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
@MajorRage Neil is absolute quality. They should do his interviews in the style of a UFC fight night, pay per view.
As to the bias, maybe yes maybe no, there are certainly examples for both Labour vs Conservative camps though establishment vs anti-establishment would paint a different picture. I'm all for letting the market decide. Certainly enough examples of shoddy journalism and way over the top salaries to make the bbc not seem like the necessity it once was.
Will be interesting what comes of it.
The market gave us clickbait journalism, The Big Bang Theory and Two and a Half Men - I'm not sure I fully trust the market when it comes to media and television.
To be fair the BBC launched the career of this
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@Catogrande said in British Politics:
@Bones Fuck you Bones, now I have waking nightmares.
You missed out an 'n'.
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@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
Can't for the life of me understand why a struggling working class family based outside of a major city wouldn't want to finance (upon threat of prison) such stunning and brave reporting about the real issues.
Talk about taking an extreme as an example of the whole and getting it wrong.
This online channel runs like 'Community TV' providing the very people you mention an opportunity to not only air their views but as a model to provide work experience and opportunities in the industry to those that would not normally have such an avenue.
You may not agree with the content or find it 'not worthy' but the content is actually driven by whatever licence fee payers that want to contribute. Equal opportunity to get something back from the fee. -
@Rembrandt Yeah, because that's all the BBC does...
If we're going to stereotype all those poor working class people have got Eastenders that I pay for and don't watch.
Creating a spectrum of programmes that appeals to a range of people isn't the same as creating a number of programmes that appeal to everybody. The latter is impossible, but it's the standard you seem to be applying - i.e. if you can find something you don't approve of then the concept must be bad. A more balanced view is that programmes like The Social would NEVER get made in a commercial environment. Now I think that the person in the clip lives a life that is alien to me and the premise is superficial, but I can understand that to them it's important. Why can't they have access to tell their story?
There are a great many things that I've paid for through my taxes that I don't agree with and I don't get why this particular issue is such a hot-button one. Are you a poor working class UK licence fee payer?
Edit: Oh and by the way, UK commercial TV is ultimately ITV and Channel 5. If that's the dumb-as-fuck standard that we should aspire to count me out.
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@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
Can't for the life of me understand why a struggling working class family based outside of a major city wouldn't want to finance (upon threat of prison) such stunning and brave reporting about the real issues.
Is this really British Politics?
I’ve never even heard of The Social as it doesn’t appeal to me.
I don’t like the non-binary political argument but many do so I have no problems with this stuff on an edge media.
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@Siam said in British Politics:
@Kirwan I must have it confused, again. I thought each individual tv owner gets to choose to subscribe or not, like Netflix.
Therefore if the BBC isn't attractive then it's the BBCs failure, not a majority decision or referendum or election type result. Ergo the stupidity of the masses (an arrogant, condescending and destructive view IMO) isn't up for debate - the BBC haven't catered to their market adequately
(I think I've got the crux of the future of the BBC discussion wrong...)
For technical reasons alone, a Netflix model is out of the question (don't believe The Sun).
'The market' can already be read through BARB data. I just spent 18 months forecasting peoples reactions when TV frequencies moved on them and they may potentially have to act to carry on receiving the same channels.
I can tell you that the reaction to loss based on PSB services is measured and known (i.e. how many people would care if they couldn't see certain channels)These figures in themselves actually drive cost into the model IMO. The govt wants to see value from the licence model and to them that means as many people as possible using the services provided. To create that public demand the Beeb then enters the market for big names/personalties, fighting against the commercial broadcasters and creating a demand that, in turn, pushes those salaries up further.
Put bluntly the Beeb couldn't exist anywhere near the way it does without the licence grant. Can they look at trimming the offerings and costs? They would love to but are in a catch 22 where the public expect local and regional services (that are unviable) and expect to see 'stars' for their licence money.
They do have a huge, and successful, commercial arm to offset cost s as much as possible but the public actually want public broadcasting of some form and this is the current model. It isn't perfect but there is a hell of a lot of thinking going on to try and improve it. A Netflix model, however, is not the answer by any stretch. -
@MajorRage said in British Politics:
@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
Can't for the life of me understand why a struggling working class family based outside of a major city wouldn't want to finance (upon threat of prison) such stunning and brave reporting about the real issues.
Is this really British Politics?
I’ve never even heard of The Social as it doesn’t appeal to me.
I don’t like the non-binary political argument but many do so I have no problems with this stuff on an edge media.
Fun fact - from what I understand, according to Gender Theory if you are a man and you don't identify with all of the stereotypical masculine traits, that makes you non-binary. And as being non-binary is a subset of trans, it makes you trans as well.
Given the majority of males are not hyper-masculine and sit somewhere in between masculine/feminine, about 90% of us are actually non-binary / trans.
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@No-Quarter said in British Politics:
@MajorRage said in British Politics:
@Rembrandt said in British Politics:
Can't for the life of me understand why a struggling working class family based outside of a major city wouldn't want to finance (upon threat of prison) such stunning and brave reporting about the real issues.
Is this really British Politics?
I’ve never even heard of The Social as it doesn’t appeal to me.
I don’t like the non-binary political argument but many do so I have no problems with this stuff on an edge media.
Fun fact - from what I understand, according to Gender Theory if you are a man and you don't identify with all of the stereotypical masculine traits, that makes you non-binary. And as being non-binary is a subset of trans, it makes you trans as well.
Given the majority of males are not hyper-masculine and sit somewhere in between masculine/feminine, about 90% of us are actually non-binary / trans.
I refuse to be pigeon-holed by semantics!
Damn this inappropriate use of logic and language! I'm off to record a you-tube outrage video.
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@No-Quarter said in British Politics:
Fun fact - from what I understand, according to Gender Theory if you are a man and you don't identify with all of the stereotypical masculine traits, that makes you non-binary. And as being non-binary is a subset of trans, it makes you trans as well.
Given the majority of males are not hyper-masculine and sit somewhere in between masculine/feminine, about 90% of us are actually non-binary / trans.
Fun?
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@MajorRage said in British Politics:
I think the comments sum up my thoughts.
Some of the comments are great. Spotting how much that person reminded them of Beaker from the muppets! Once seen, can't be unseen.
However, while reading the comments the video was auto-playing and that person did hit on a good point. They get asked to define themselves simply so they can get charged accordingly as the prices depend of their sex.
Instead of complaint though, just play the game. Tell them you are male and save some money.
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