Coronavirus - Overall
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
So, you're anticipating this to be a short term thing?
10 days max...
No, I think we'll be peaking until end March here and I'm going to be following the government's advice.
Actually quite impressed at how it's been handled so far by the politicians (all sides) and public officials. Seem to have a plan in place, good information being given out and letting the experts take centre stage.
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@canefan said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
Patients at our clinic are being told not to enter the building if they have covid 19 symptoms, to call and warn ahead so they can be isolated appropriately.
Had a txt from our GP surgery yesterday saying pretty much the same thing.
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Blimey, Boris seems to be taking the sit back and let the people get sick.
I have to admit, there is actually quite a lot of logic in this. Ireland panics and closes the schools causing untold amounts of disruption to everywhere. UK says kids don't really get that sick with it, science says no need to do anything.
Who do you believe?
I wouldn't have a clue.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback So plunging the world into recession is a good idea - how? Trump's playing his normal it's all Johnny Foreigner's fault card, when basically the US has had a pitiful response to COVID-19.
The travel ban is pointless anyway - it won't contain the virus in the US but is already causing financial chaos
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback So plunging the world into recession is a good idea - how? Trump's playing his normal it's all Johnny Foreigner's fault card, when basically the US has had a pitiful response to COVID-19.
The travel ban is pointless anyway - it won't contain the virus in the US but is already causing financial chaos
I'm guessing he's playing to his audience, the US voter. Mind you the financial meltdown that's happening might come back to bite him.
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@Catogrande That or it's part of his grand covfefe strategy.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback So plunging the world into recession is a good idea - how? Trump's playing his normal it's all Johnny Foreigner's fault card, when basically the US has had a pitiful response to COVID-19.
The travel ban is pointless anyway - it won't contain the virus in the US but is already causing financial chaos
So Trump is to blame for the virus.. cool story.
Travel ban is pointless? Ok... but i ahve heard form experts that apparently travel bans are necessary... andother say they are unnecessary, so I dont know. But I guess it was easy for you, as soon as Trump did it.. it was bad and pointless and xenophobic. If he hadnt done it, I presume you would have thought they were a great idea and Trump was dithering callous and incompetent.
The claim of xenophobia is particularly amusing. So many countries have put in travel bans ...but Trump is the xenophobic one? riiiight.
And then in the same post you say that the US has had a pitiful response to the virus? Of course you think that... Trump is president. Eveb Democrat governors have admitted that the federal govt has performed well in this, it is just the Trump hating media who has claimed they have done badly. Of course it is becoming obvious that no govt can contain this easily.Trump plunging thw world into recessions.... not the chinese who unleashed it, not the atual virus, not other other countries reactions, not individual decsons of people ... its all on Trump.
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@MajorRage said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
Blimey, Boris seems to be taking the sit back and let the people get sick.
I have to admit, there is actually quite a lot of logic in this. Ireland panics and closes the schools causing untold amounts of disruption to everywhere. UK says kids don't really get that sick with it, science says no need to do anything.
Who do you believe?
I wouldn't have a clue.
Boris's medical advisors explained that shutting schools will actually increase the risk as hygiene can be enforced in schools and kids sent home will mix more with grandparents and older people, which makes sense.
The whole strategy was explained at the presser as flattening and extending the peak to mid-May as that's the best way to beat it and the timing of interventions is, in their view, critical.
Was surprised the problem will take so long to control - they talked on many, many months.
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
I'm guessing he's playing to his audience, the US voter. Mind you the financial meltdown that's happening might come back to bite him.
To be fair, lots of other countries have already effectively instituted bans - India, Slovakia etc. The current centre of the epidemic is now the European Shengen Group of countries.
But, Trump being Trump, he likes to turn it into a grand statement rather than be stateman-like.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@MajorRage said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
Blimey, Boris seems to be taking the sit back and let the people get sick.
I have to admit, there is actually quite a lot of logic in this. Ireland panics and closes the schools causing untold amounts of disruption to everywhere. UK says kids don't really get that sick with it, science says no need to do anything.
Who do you believe?
I wouldn't have a clue.
Boris's medical advisors explained that shutting schools will actually increase the risk as hygiene can be enforced in schools and kids sent home will mix more with grandparents and older people, which makes sense.
The whole strategy was explained at the presser as flattening and extending the peak to mid-May as that's the best way to beat it and the timing of interventions is, in their view, critical.
Was surprised the problem will take so long to control - they talked on many, many months.
Thats also the reason given for the travel bans around the world, ban travel from hot spots, not to stop it completely, but to flatten the curve.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
I'm guessing he's playing to his audience, the US voter. Mind you the financial meltdown that's happening might come back to bite him.
To be fair, lots of other countries have already effectively instituted bans - India, Slovakia etc. The current centre of the epidemic is now the Shengen Group of countries.
But, Trump being Trump, he likes to turn it into a grand statement rather than be stateman-like.
That isnt a Trump thing, that is a US politics thing. They love a good nationwide speech form a podium. To them that is statesman like.
You just seen Bidens speech,,,,, form a podium exactly ike Trump, US flags in the background, all false gravitas. Full of lies as well.. but thats politics in the US
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
Thats also the reason given for the travel bans around the world, ban travel from hot spots, not to stop it completely, but to flatten the curve.
View from the UK Chief Medical Honcho was travel bans are pretty useless as once a reasonable number of cases are reported, the infection has pretty much taken hold.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
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Like you, I laugh at some of the loopy, knee-jerk anti-Trump stuff and think he has done some good things - but I'd never call Trump statesmanlike or someone who could unite a country when called upon.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
Thats also the reason given for the travel bans around the world, ban travel from hot spots, not to stop it completely, but to flatten the curve.
View from the UK Chief Medical Honcho was travel bans are pretty useless as once a reasonable number of cases are reported, the infection has pretty much taken hold.
I dont claim to know, and doctors seem to be contradicting each other. I can actually see logic on both sides
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
Thats also the reason given for the travel bans around the world, ban travel from hot spots, not to stop it completely, but to flatten the curve.
View from the UK Chief Medical Honcho was travel bans are pretty useless as once a reasonable number of cases are reported, the infection has pretty much taken hold.
I dont claim to know, and doctors seem to be contradicting each other. I can actually see logic on both sides
I think a lot depends on the airport screening programs put in place. The UK is probably better placed than, say India.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
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Like you, I laugh at some of the loopy, knee-jerk anti-Trump stuff and think he has done some good things - but I'd never call Trump statesmanlike or someone who could unite a country when called upon.
Oh I would never call him statesman like either (part of why I like him), I was referring to the speeches they give.
And he cannot unite the country because some people cannot give credit to him with anything ever, even to the point apparently he is now responsible for the recession caused by the Wuhan Virus No republican president could unite the US, because the media and left hate them all without exception. -
EU experts think it is a shit idea, but US experts think it is needed.
Fauci and Redfield back Trump's European travel ban
Dr. Anthony Fauci, the widely-respected director the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Director Dr. Robert Redfield, appeared before the House Oversight Committee for a second day of questioning Thursday and backed President Trump's travel ban from much of Europe."The real risk in general right now and this is why the president took the action he did last night within the world now over 70 percent of the new cases are linked to Europe" Redfield said. "Europe is the new China, and that's why the president made those statements."
When Vermont Democratic Rep. Peter Welch asked if there was a medical reason for excluding the U.K. from the ban, Redfield said, "We were looking at the extent of new cases in different areas," adding "because there's no borders."
Welch, not satisfied with the response, turned to Fauci, who backed up his colleague and the president. Fauci named Italy, France and Germany as the European countries with the most cases.
"When the discussion was, why don't we just start off and say, 'ban from Italy,' we were told by the State Department you really can't do that because it's like one country," Fauci said. "The reason I believe that the U.K. was left out was because there was a difference between the ease of transportation between the European countries and the U.K."
Welch interrupted, "Well, that's Brexit."