Coronavirus - Overall
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - Overall/Rest of the World:
Jeez I miss the good old days when we used to talk about sports, guns and strippers....
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall/Rest of the World:
@R-L said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@canefan said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@R-L said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@canefan said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@Rembrandt said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
@canefan said in Coronavirus: should I be panicking yet?:
What the fuck is Boris doing?
Herd immunity is all very fine. But containment is important because too many people getting sick at the same time will overwhelm your health system. Doctors in Italy are being forced to choose who gets to live and who gets to die because there aren’t enough ventilators available, yet they appear to be encouraging the spread. History will judge if Boris’ gamble pays off
Put in the harshest terms they are sacrificing people now in order to save lives later. In theory Britain could be the first European country through the other side of this, risky af. But at this point no one can say what the best long term strategy will be.
It makes little sense mate. At the height, South Korea were getting almost 900 new cases a day. They are down to 74.
But the situation is fluid. Just googled a UK website to see what is being said. The government is discouraging mass gatherings etc, is that a strategic change or have I merely failed to read exactly what he said the first time? (Entirely possible)
Am. I right in believing S Korea was testing more though, we in the UK aren't testing all suspected cases anymore which will always make our numbers appear lower surely?
Tested like crazy. Not just lab tests, those laser point and shoot thermometers too. Someone I know went to Singapore really early on. She was getting thermo checked everywhere and suspicious people were being more closely checked
Well Chris Whitty said earlier they want to collect data on people who have had the virus and been asymptomatic, how will they find these people now if they are only testing inpatients? Obviously health care staff are a big group that should be tested. I think they genuinely want to learn as much as they can about this disease but it all feels too risky. I feel like we should be testing way more people.
Every country should be testing over 70s survivors, because it's highly probable they on average have something in their system which has protected them from the worst.
Sounds very Maze Runner
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Woolworths and Coles react to the "shopping crisis" by introducing elderly shopping hour and people complain that the shelves are still bare.
Like it's the supermarket's fault that they didn't magically create stock levels while every halfwit is busy hoarding whatever they can gets their hands on. This virus really needs to target the morons instead of the elderly.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall/Rest of the World:
Woolworths and Coles react to the "shopping crisis" by introducing elderly shopping hour and people complain that the shelves are still bare.
Like it's the supermarket's fault that they didn't magically create stock levels while every halfwit is busy hoarding whatever they can gets their hands on. This virus really needs to target the morons instead of the elderly.
Fuck that would be a terrible way to go. I would be lying on my deathbed, family all around and I would pass away with the horrible realisation I was way stupider than I thought I was.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Coronavirus - Overall/Rest of the World:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall/Rest of the World:
Woolworths and Coles react to the "shopping crisis" by introducing elderly shopping hour and people complain that the shelves are still bare.
Like it's the supermarket's fault that they didn't magically create stock levels while every halfwit is busy hoarding whatever they can gets their hands on. This virus really needs to target the morons instead of the elderly.
Fuck that would be a terrible way to go. I would be lying on my deathbed, family all around and I would pass away with the horrible realisation I was way stupider than I thought I was.
An intriguing concept. It'd be a horrible yet infallible proof of the Kruger Dunning effect in someone's last hours. (Perhaps also a shock to some of the 75% of drivers who reportedly self assess their skills as "above average").
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall/Rest of the World:
Woolworths and Coles react to the "shopping crisis" by introducing elderly shopping hour and people complain that the shelves are still bare.
Like it's the supermarket's fault that they didn't magically create stock levels while every halfwit is busy hoarding whatever they can gets their hands on. This virus really needs to target the morons instead of the elderly.
They could impose limits per shopper to avoid being cleared out as fast.
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@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - Overall/Rest of the World:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall/Rest of the World:
Woolworths and Coles react to the "shopping crisis" by introducing elderly shopping hour and people complain that the shelves are still bare.
Like it's the supermarket's fault that they didn't magically create stock levels while every halfwit is busy hoarding whatever they can gets their hands on. This virus really needs to target the morons instead of the elderly.
They could impose limits per shopper to avoid being cleared out as fast.
There have been for about a week now, I'm not so sure this is simply a case of 'damn selfish folk' anymore. From what I understand an expected overnight delivery did not make it so first seniourshour was a bit of a bust, though they at least would have managed to get some food. Should be better tomorrow, our local Woolies is on my running route so I'll see first hand.
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no idea if already posted, but thought this had some great graphics about flattening the curve and comparing different methods of containment
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@Kirwan said in Coronavirus - Overall/Rest of the World:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall/Rest of the World:
Woolworths and Coles react to the "shopping crisis" by introducing elderly shopping hour and people complain that the shelves are still bare.
Like it's the supermarket's fault that they didn't magically create stock levels while every halfwit is busy hoarding whatever they can gets their hands on. This virus really needs to target the morons instead of the elderly.
They could impose limits per shopper to avoid being cleared out as fast.
They have been. Woolworths pointed out that they were selling seven days worth of toilet paper in one day and they were doing Christmas levels of retail, something that takes them five months to build up for. Once they realised they've been playing catch up and the logistics just aren't capable.
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Just thinking long term, is the only way we get back to "normal" is with a vaccine? Wont this virus just hang around with potential to flare up until we all have immunity (Survival of the fittest) or we somehow stop the spread?
Think forward to 3 months time and we have it under control with few cases but only 10% of the world have immunity. We open up the borders and relax social gathering rules. What stops those few remaining cases out there starting the spread all over again?
Maybe a country has to have 0 cases for 2 weeks before they can go to another country with 0 cases? How long will this take and can the world survive it. Then what happens if that country somehow gets a new case, do they lose travel privileges?
Someone with a better understanding please explain how this pans out long term, maybe best case scenario.
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What surprised me on my last shop was that it wasn't just cans, pastas, rice, medications and tp that was bare. It was also a lot of cleaning products andbig gaps in laundry detergent, fabric softner, that sort of thing.
In theory, those that stocked up should now be leaving the shops alone so this should all come back pretty soon, assuming the deliveries are still running as they should.
I am concerned about NZ, how much is imported there? How do they guarantee supply if other nations are calling for more? Would be good to get people convincing reassurances? Some believed that most toilet tissue was imported into Oz from China, could have started the scare and everyone around the world just carried it on.
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@Rembrandt Problem is panic buying means you think you cannot get that fabric softner for 3-6 months so instead of buying 1 you buy 12. When everyone does that you run out real quick. We cant get toilet paper but plenty of people have loads as we are still shitting the same amount as before the virus. We haven't magically started shitting twice as much out of fear.
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@chimoaus found this one while I was looking for another article - the San Francisco experience of being (un)prepared for additional waves of the Spanish Influenza may be part of the story: https://www.history.com/news/spanish-flu-pandemic-response-cities
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@Donsteppa So basically survival of the fittest then. The virus has to make its way through the population slowly to limit the amount of deaths. So we will likely have the borders blocked and restrictions until the hospitals can cope with the number of people left who are likely to get sick.
I'm not sure the world is prepared for the long term impacts of this. I hope I am over thinking it.
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@Donsteppa I'm not concerned about my own risk of dying, I'm more concerned about the vulnerable people and economic fallout from it. What happens to the world economies as they come to a stand still whilst we wait to flatten the curve.