Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
So much knowledge in hindsight being thrown around.
When NZ had to make a decision on strategy a hell of a lot of the outcomes and comparisons weren't available.
Every country has had to make a call based on their own circumstances, so to compare, and especially to declare over-reaction is not only misleading, but unfair.
The comparison with Oz has been very misleading from many quarters. Although the restrictions are less by decree, in practice people are pretty much following what NZ has made official. There are certainly some areas of business that have been able to lessen the immediate economic impact by themselves though.
Along with the Oz approach came increased risk that it may be harder to get to a 'normal' level as quickly as an eradication plan.
If that risk hasn't eventuated then I think that is great. We (at least the NZ cabinet) had to decide whether to take that risk or follow advice that a more certain path was achievable.I think it could be an excellent outcome if NZ 'eradicates' quickly and Australia can declare confidence around community transmission as well. If we can get the border open and work together while waiting on a vax it could be a catalyst for a new round of CER and sorting out the stupidly messy immigration/residency situation that we currently have.
Yeah, this place has frustrated me from the point of view of some of the NZ based posters and their claims about Australia. As I've said repeatedly regardless of any govt decisions the economy took a huge hit, as I've also said my friends who lost their jobs lost them before any govt social distancing was implemented. Even with the allowance for food places to stay open a bunch have closed because it's more expensive to remain open when there's barely any people going in.
I still think Australia, and Sydney especially got lucky, especially after the Ruby Princess debacle, and that community transmission didn't take off before the govt stepped in, although TBF lots of people/organisations had started social distancing when the PM was telling people it was fine to go to the league. I find it odd that people can see the devastation in some areas overseas and think that it can't happen here, FFS 8 weeks I was part of a team working on a Covid response for my organisation and I doubt any of us thought it was anything more than some risk planning for something that was never going to happen.
And to be completely honest I hope that both Oz and NZ, using their very slightly different methods, both come out of this ok, we haven't had the devastation of other countries (and in NZ's case the deaths so far seem to be confined to the elderly) who not only have the economic fallout but the health fallout as well.
And to the other discussion point, trusting people to be responsible ... you only need to look at Australia's beaches to know that people are idiots. They were clearly reopened for people to go for a swim as exercise yet so many retards just trotted down for a day at the beach.
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@taniwharugby ha! Welcome to the world. How many rules/laws do we have as some folks can't manage their shit 😁
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@Paekakboyz said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby ha! Welcome to the world. How many rules/laws do we have as some folks can't manage their shit 😁
I was in a meeting with HR recently and said something to the effect of most corporate policies exist because someone breached them before they were written down - there was a lot of nodding of heads at that.
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
We had a known potential date for lockdown to end, and all businesses should have been working towards that.
FIFY
It was pretty clearly stated all along that L4 was for an initial period to be re-assessed toward the end to decide what and how to do after that.
There was never a stated end that was then extended.
Many people I know expected that any reduction would probably make sense to happen after the long weekend, especially after seeing how some people reacted over Easter.
I think when the pros and cons of changing to L3 Tonight rather than last week were added up the former won out.Sure, but, as a business owner, surely you'd be negligent if you weren't working towards bring ready for the earliest possible date. You can't be sitting there waiting for the announcement a few days out.
Imagine you still had your restaurant. You would have been using lockout to work out plans for delivery (if viable), speaking to key staff, contacting key supply chain etc - you wouldn't be sitting still waiting for Cindy to give you the green light right?
That's simplistic in my view. The situation is fluid in terms of what is and isn't ok. It's easy to say that businesses should be ready to go, but they have staff to deal with and suppliers and possibly specific rules to follow.
Some businesses won't care that much and will be so desperate to open that they ll open with or without thinking it through. There is potential for additional clusters to open up because a business/staff don't know or care about what they're doing. The people affected are not necessarily the business or staff themselves.
A bit of extra time for the guidelines and rules to be clear is not a bad thing. Hell, if the courts didn't know what they were doing until Friday, how can a small business?
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See Jucy Rentals had about 100 cars stolen from thier depot over the weekend.
That is a large scale co-ordinated theft for a bunch of Suzuki Swift's and Mazda 3s...
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
See Jucy Rentals had about 100 cars stolen from thier depot over the weekend.
That is a large scale co-ordinated theft for a bunch of Suzuki Swift's and Mazda 3s...
if they are painted like they are here, how in the fuck do you hide them?
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
See Jucy Rentals had about 100 cars stolen from thier depot over the weekend.
That is a large scale co-ordinated theft for a bunch of Suzuki Swift's and Mazda 3s...
if they are painted like they are here, how in the fuck do you hide them?
Nah these ones aren’t painted like typical jucy cars.
Crazy thing is they all had their keys left inside them.Assume all involved watched a particular Nick Cage film before commencing the heist
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@mariner4life nah I dont think all the cars are painted the green/purple like the campers/vans
Apparently multiple arrests and about a dozen cars located some damaged.
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@Bones I was trying to figure out how long it'd take them to shift 60 bloody cars! Gotta be an inside job - or possibly gangs? you'd also think the cars would have hidden gps or something as well. Probably better off nicking one or two and taking the stereos and gas from the rest... or take all the wheels or some shit.
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@Paekakboyz oh it's only 60 now? That's pretty messed up still. Where do you hide that many cars!
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@Paekakboyz said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Bones I suspect we aren't dealing with the sharpest tools in the shed here lol. Just read that they've found 35 so far. Hmm do you think they got car-ried away?
Oh dear....😬
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@Paekakboyz said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Bones I suspect we aren't dealing with the sharpest tools in the shed here lol. Just read that they've found 35 so far. Hmm do you think they got car-ried away?
No.
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@Bones I suspect @Paekakboyz was a bit swift on his dad jokes...
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Bones I suspect @Paekakboyz was a bit swift on his dad jokes...
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@taniwharugby oh car, car, very punny
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
We had a known potential date for lockdown to end, and all businesses should have been working towards that.
FIFY
It was pretty clearly stated all along that L4 was for an initial period to be re-assessed toward the end to decide what and how to do after that.
There was never a stated end that was then extended.
Many people I know expected that any reduction would probably make sense to happen after the long weekend, especially after seeing how some people reacted over Easter.
I think when the pros and cons of changing to L3 Tonight rather than last week were added up the former won out.Sure, but, as a business owner, surely you'd be negligent if you weren't working towards bring ready for the earliest possible date. You can't be sitting there waiting for the announcement a few days out.
Imagine you still had your restaurant. You would have been using lockout to work out plans for delivery (if viable), speaking to key staff, contacting key supply chain etc - you wouldn't be sitting still waiting for Cindy to give you the green light right?
I would have been planning for different scenarios for sure. But the fact that I would have been living 10kms away from the business which had been closed up for weeks would also have meant that we would have needed a couple of days minimum to be able to clean and prepare for any opening. In the example of a food business you run on a hell of a lot of prepped items that are continuously rotated. Starting after a break takes a while. It isn’t anywhere near as simple as having some goods arrive at the back door and giving the tables a wipe.
I also imagine that suppliers would also need to push the buttons to start gearing up to even get those supplies around.
A weeks notice to all parties is about right.(Not saying that’s the same for all businesses but you asked for my example)
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@Bones said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Crucial I don't get it....don't you just open later if that's the case?
Yeah, but the question was about about not needing much lead in time because you would be planned up and ready to move at short notice.
I was asked what situation I would have been In and answered.