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https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12331964
Speaking of NZ First and Jones, here he is in another ministerial capacity.
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I have just confirmed how I will vote. Years of debt to come for somebody else to fix. Hey, lets just print money. I have been through this before with labour.
I was actually on the cusp, but labour will team with Winnie. So fuck them. You can't vote for two teams even though I dislike Bridges.
I have had a few drinks and lost a friend who's funeral I can't go to so, sorry but it is all fucked.
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@Snowy said in NZ Politics:
I have just confirmed how I will vote. Years of debt to come for somebody else to fix. Hey, lets just print money. I have been through this before with labour.
I was actually on the cusp, but labour will team with Winnie. So fuck them. You can't vote for two teams even though I dislike Bridges.
I have had a few drinks and lost a friend who's funeral I can't go to so, sorry but it is all fucked.
Sorry to hear about your friend mate. As always, am here to yarn publicly or privately if you want an ear.
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@Snowy said in NZ Politics:
I have just confirmed how I will vote. Years of debt to come for somebody else to fix. Hey, lets just print money. I have been through this before with labour.
I was actually on the cusp, but labour will team with Winnie. So fuck them. You can't vote for two teams even though I dislike Bridges.
I have had a few drinks and lost a friend who's funeral I can't go to so, sorry but it is all fucked.
Condolences man, that sucks.
National are either going with Winnie or into opposition. Also not sure how any government could do anything other than go into massive debt in this - even if we had closed our borders in January, the economy was going to hell in a handbasket from the total lack of international tourism and massive downturn in the global economy.
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@Godder said in NZ Politics:
@Snowy said in NZ Politics:
I have just confirmed how I will vote. Years of debt to come for somebody else to fix. Hey, lets just print money. I have been through this before with labour.
I was actually on the cusp, but labour will team with Winnie. So fuck them. You can't vote for two teams even though I dislike Bridges.
I have had a few drinks and lost a friend who's funeral I can't go to so, sorry but it is all fucked.
Condolences man, that sucks.
National are either going with Winnie or into opposition. Also not sure how any government could do anything other than go into massive debt in this - even if we had closed our borders in January, the economy was going to hell in a handbasket from the total lack of international tourism and massive downturn in the global economy.
National have ruled out working with Winnie. It'd be fucking excellent if Labour did the same.
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@No-Quarter said in NZ Politics:
@Godder said in NZ Politics:
@Snowy said in NZ Politics:
I have just confirmed how I will vote. Years of debt to come for somebody else to fix. Hey, lets just print money. I have been through this before with labour.
I was actually on the cusp, but labour will team with Winnie. So fuck them. You can't vote for two teams even though I dislike Bridges.
I have had a few drinks and lost a friend who's funeral I can't go to so, sorry but it is all fucked.
Condolences man, that sucks.
National are either going with Winnie or into opposition. Also not sure how any government could do anything other than go into massive debt in this - even if we had closed our borders in January, the economy was going to hell in a handbasket from the total lack of international tourism and massive downturn in the global economy.
National have ruled out working with Winnie. It'd be fucking excellent if Labour did the same.
Wouldn't surprise me if the voters did that for everyone.
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@Godder said in NZ Politics:
@No-Quarter said in NZ Politics:
@Godder said in NZ Politics:
@Snowy said in NZ Politics:
I have just confirmed how I will vote. Years of debt to come for somebody else to fix. Hey, lets just print money. I have been through this before with labour.
I was actually on the cusp, but labour will team with Winnie. So fuck them. You can't vote for two teams even though I dislike Bridges.
I have had a few drinks and lost a friend who's funeral I can't go to so, sorry but it is all fucked.
Condolences man, that sucks.
National are either going with Winnie or into opposition. Also not sure how any government could do anything other than go into massive debt in this - even if we had closed our borders in January, the economy was going to hell in a handbasket from the total lack of international tourism and massive downturn in the global economy.
National have ruled out working with Winnie. It'd be fucking excellent if Labour did the same.
Wouldn't surprise me if the voters did that for everyone.
Lazarus is named for a reason.
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@Godder said in NZ Politics:
@Snowy said in NZ Politics:
I have just confirmed how I will vote. Years of debt to come for somebody else to fix. Hey, lets just print money. I have been through this before with labour.
I was actually on the cusp, but labour will team with Winnie. So fuck them. You can't vote for two teams even though I dislike Bridges.
I have had a few drinks and lost a friend who's funeral I can't go to so, sorry but it is all fucked.
Condolences man, that sucks.
National are either going with Winnie or into opposition. Also not sure how any government could do anything other than go into massive debt in this - even if we had closed our borders in January, the economy was going to hell in a handbasket from the total lack of international tourism and massive downturn in the global economy.
There's debt, then there is this level of debt. The discretionary parts that have been pushed forward under cover of an emergency are shameless. Labour have taken the opportunity to dust off their entire wish-list and slammed it through, whilst telling the electorate it is essential to deal with the fallout from a 7 week shutdown that they chose to initiate. The media hasn't challenged them on it at all really, but I don't know any economist from either end of the spectrum who isn't amazed by this. There's no planning, just crossed fingers and a belief that it's doctrinarily correct so therefore justified. Of course there's seldom a shortage of people who will take a handout, so it will no doubt play well with their base, especially those who don't give a thought to where the money has to come from.
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I dont think I would want national in power right now or ever again. I think they are far to comfortable with china whom is looking very aggressive atm imposing sanctions on australia for merely supporting an investigation on Chinas handling of the virus. I think things could turn very sour.
Labour whilst having reasonable intentions is just inept at anything except taking peoples freedoms. The shutdown can be argued for or against. My opinion far too strict but understand the strict approach. But after failed policy after failed policy I have no faith in there ability to handle a 124 billion govt fix up job.
Jacinda Arden is good in front of the camera to people with fleeting interest in politics and achieves world wise praise as a "successful female anti-trump". But with bills being passes through under covid 19 and now another half truth with the voluntary pay cuts after accepting the praises for it I am not happy with her.
David Seymour has constantly been a strong voice in opposition but I'm not sure of act policy wise. Perhaps less govt is the best option of all others are becoming increasingly poor.
I like the intentions of TOP. UBI - land tax -lowernincome tax solves alot of issues with current nz economy. But the social policies they had last election are very far from where I stand.
Nz first needs to die.
Greens are a shit show of terrible ideologies.
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@muddyriver said in NZ Politics:
I dont think I would want national in power right now or ever again. I think they are far to comfortable with china whom is looking very aggressive atm imposing sanctions on australia for merely supporting an investigation on Chinas handling of the virus. I think things could turn very sour.
Labour whilst having reasonable intentions is just inept at anything except taking peoples freedoms. The shutdown can be argued for or against. My opinion far too strict but understand the strict approach. But after failed policy after failed policy I have no faith in there ability to handle a 124 billion govt fix up job.
Jacinda Arden is good in front of the camera to people with fleeting interest in politics and achieves world wise praise as a "successful female anti-trump". But with bills being passes through under covid 19 and now another half truth with the voluntary pay cuts after accepting the praises for it I am not happy with her.
David Seymour has constantly been a strong voice in opposition but I'm not sure of act policy wise. Perhaps less govt is the best option of all others are becoming increasingly poor.
I like the intentions of TOP. UBI - land tax -lowernincome tax solves alot of issues with current nz economy. But the social policies they had last election are very far from where I stand.
Nz first needs to die.
Greens are a shit show of terrible ideologies.
Not really in a positive mood are you champ!
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@Godder said in NZ Politics:
@JC as a Labour Party member, it's nowhere near the entire wish list.
I know this is probably a joke. But if this is representative of the attitude of Labour members the country is fucked.
JC posted a pretty somber take on the mismanagement going on and you joke about it not being the entire Wishlist?
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This is probably as good a place as any for this...
Interesting read
https://www.msn.com/en-nz/money/news/can-our-oil-refinery-survive/ar-BB145J9W?ocid=sf2
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@JC said in NZ Politics:
@Godder said in NZ Politics:
@Snowy said in NZ Politics:
I have just confirmed how I will vote. Years of debt to come for somebody else to fix. Hey, lets just print money. I have been through this before with labour.
I was actually on the cusp, but labour will team with Winnie. So fuck them. You can't vote for two teams even though I dislike Bridges.
I have had a few drinks and lost a friend who's funeral I can't go to so, sorry but it is all fucked.
Condolences man, that sucks.
National are either going with Winnie or into opposition. Also not sure how any government could do anything other than go into massive debt in this - even if we had closed our borders in January, the economy was going to hell in a handbasket from the total lack of international tourism and massive downturn in the global economy.
There's debt, then there is this level of debt.
What level of debt are you concerned with?
Grant's created a $50 billion warchest and he's not going to come close to spending it prior to the election - unless he's a moron.
Come the election, he'll be telling us that despite creating the war chest, he'spent only a very modest proportion.
Fiscally prudent.
Under-promise/Over-deliver.
Smart!
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@Chris-B It’s not just the war chest it’s the funding of successive deficits of (as percentage of GDP) 9.3, 9.3, 9.3, unspecified, 1.3, 0.7, 0.1 and 0.1. That takes us to 2028, when there’s supposed to be a surplus of 0.1%. So we probably won’t even start paying down the debt for nearly a decade. Sure a recession was due, but the depth and length of this one is made worse by the beanfeast they’ve announced this year.
I’m not sure it’s actually a war chest either. That suggests something built up as a contingency. That hasn’t happened here. They haven’t got 50 billion bucks carefully stored away somewhere.
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@JC yeah - but, we really only need to be concerned with what gets spent in the next four months. After that, there could be a different government.
I don't doubt that Grant could raise $50 billion if he really needed to - but, I'm inclined to think that number is just a political Trojan horse.
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@Chris-B So if I’m a business owner should I A. Invest because the Minister of Finance is just politically posturing, B. Batten down the hatches and run a business as lean as possible because he’s not posturing, he’s flagging up a horror show of a next few years and I’m going to need the money, C. Wait and hope that someone who has a clue about business, finance or economics takes hold of the reins or D. Give up now because it’s not worth the heartache to try and keep things running when the likelihood is my business is going to fail anyway?
Political decisions, especially fiscal ones, have real world consequences. But I’m not surprised Robertson doesn’t appreciate that, nor am I surprised that his approach is to bribe the voters with other people’s money in the hope they won’t notice he hasn’t got a clue what he’s doing.
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@JC said in NZ Politics:
@Chris-B So if I’m a business owner should I A. Invest because the Minister of Finance is just politically posturing, B. Batten down the hatches and run a business as lean as possible because he’s not posturing, he’s flagging up a horror show of a next few years and I’m going to need the money, C. Wait and hope that someone who has a clue about business, finance or economics takes hold of the reins or D. Give up now because it’s not worth the heartache to try and keep things running when the likelihood is my business is going to fail anyway?
Political decisions, especially fiscal ones, have real world consequences. But I’m not surprised Robertson doesn’t appreciate that, nor am I surprised that his approach is to bribe the voters with other people’s money in the hope they won’t notice he hasn’t got a clue what he’s doing.
Labour were in trouble before Turei blew up and Cindy took over. They lacked the capacity to be a credible opposition let alone govern. I think they have done what needed to be done and should take credit. But is it any surprise that they can't work this out?
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@canefan Not really a surprise, no. I don’t think they have the intellectual horsepower in their cabinet, but that’s just my opinion. You can get away with that if you have experience to fall back on but Robertson’s is entirely theoretical. And this time they haven’t been as rigorous on the number crunching as is usual, which increases the risk of poor decision making. All budgets are ideological of course, but this one feels like it’s based on wilful ignorance of any counterarguments.
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@JC when you chucking your hat in the ring bro!
While I think it is clear things aint great, I also hate the fact the media help move things along with thier doom and gloom talk all the time.
I'm not a big fan of The Don, but I liked what he said a week or so back, something along the lines of America is just sitting waiting to get back out there and back to business!
While I appreciate babying the public aint ideal, at the end of the day, so many people seem swayed by the media and need to be baby-stepped through so much, so when the media say shit is bad, people believe it...think sometimes a bit of positivity can go a long way!
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