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@Godder said in NZ Politics:
@Kirwan a report of a poll isn't a party political broadcast, even when National is pounding Labour.
I’d criticise it either way around. Who commissioned the poll? Who wrote the story? Some analysis about potential reasons for the change?
You know, basic journalism. The media by and large are just Cindy cheerleaders.
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@Kirwan said in NZ Politics:
What happened to journalists?
YOu been hiding under a rock for the last 5 or so years?
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@Bones said in NZ Politics:
@Siam I can just imagine the party you and @Rembrandt would have. Whoopee! 😊
Nice one. Take aim at personalities, not the premise. That's the way forward for NZ
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@Kirwan said in NZ Politics:
@Godder said in NZ Politics:
@Kirwan a report of a poll isn't a party political broadcast, even when National is pounding Labour.
I’d criticise it either way around. Who commissioned the poll? Who wrote the story? Some analysis about potential reasons for the change?
You know, basic journalism. The media by and large are just Cindy cheerleaders.
Journalism on a news website?
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@Godder said in NZ Politics:
@Kirwan said in NZ Politics:
@Godder said in NZ Politics:
@Kirwan a report of a poll isn't a party political broadcast, even when National is pounding Labour.
I’d criticise it either way around. Who commissioned the poll? Who wrote the story? Some analysis about potential reasons for the change?
You know, basic journalism. The media by and large are just Cindy cheerleaders.
Journalism on a news website?
Insert Picard facepalm here
Just because they are “reporting” the news doesn’t mean they have to read Labour press releases verbatim. There is room for analysis and providing context, clarifying the source of news, etc.
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@Bones said in NZ Politics:
@Siam I can just imagine the party you and @Rembrandt would have. Whoopee! 😊
I just shake my head at the thought. The Winger of women
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@Kirwan said in NZ Politics:
Just because they are “reporting” the news doesn’t mean they have to read Labour press releases verbatim. There is room for analysis and providing context, clarifying the source of news, etc.
Not any more there isn't. Journalism is reproducing press releases with your byline, not doing any checking, reporting content from Reddit, Facebook and Twitter, and occasionally chasing blood in the water. There are very few journalists who do a thorough job (or, to be fair, have time to do a thorough job)
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@Hooroo said in NZ Politics:
@Bones said in NZ Politics:
@Siam I can just imagine the party you and @Rembrandt would have. Whoopee! 😊
I just shake my head at the thought. The Winger of women
Nice input. Let's turn the fern into twitter.
The truth of these times is that no public person will go on record answering this question: " what is a woman?
There are 2 answers.
One will get you cancelled by media and the other will get you cancelled by the electorate.
Just ask Jo Swinson. How would Cindy's answer differ from Jo's?
So yes, as we face a multi year recession, I want to see which future pm has the pragmatism to get nz on it's feet again earning and producing and which pm is going to waste resources placating the media and the activist 5%.
The original discussion centred on religious leanings of a pm candidate. Wokeness exhibits all the characteristics of religion : grossly unsupported by data or research, an unquestionable dogma where non believers are regarded inferior or unenlightened, a distorted concept of well established truths, and a means to power and division of society.
"What is a woman" has become a litmus test for the question posed earlier in the thread about what a politician actually believes in versus what they want the public to think they believe in.
If my premise is such malarkey, then jot down the answer, sign it and include your workplace ( innocent enough eh?), then post it on a newspaper Facebook page. A simple test of my ridiculous notion.
That'll shut me up. 🙂
Oh, one more for you. In 6 months time we're going to get hate speech laws in response to the despair, depression and suicides of those ruined by the recession. It'll be deemed that stigma caused these maladies.
This is the most important aspect about COVID according to the head of WHO. "More dangerous than the virus itself". Does Cindy share the same priorities?
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@Siam said in NZ Politics:
The truth of these times is that no public person will go on record answering this question: " what is a woman?
That's because it is a really stupid question that aims solely to wind up people's emotions about others, provide ammo to attack the person that answers the question, and succeeds.
The question 'what is a man?' is equally as stupid
Are either a relevant question?
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@Crucial said in NZ Politics:
@Siam said in NZ Politics:
The truth of these times is that no public person will go on record answering this question: " what is a woman?
That's because it is a really stupid question that aims solely to wind up people's emotions about others, provide ammo to attack the person that answers the question, and succeeds.
The question 'what is a man?' is equally as stupid
Are either a relevant question?
Stupid question?
Who, exactly, has made it ammo to attack? What's so difficult about answering it? Whose version of the answer?
Why can't Cindy answer that honestly to the electorate?
Let the electorate decide. Lets find out definitively what NZers really think about identity politics, then fair dues to the winner. A mandate to proceed. This is now a vital election, let's know about the person at the helm of a lilting ship.
Or should we censor the question lest the answer be analysed by voters?What is a human? Equally stupid?
What's your answer to what is a woman?
Mine involves chromosomes, reproductive capabilities and immutable characteristics.
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@Kirwan said in NZ Politics:
@Godder said in NZ Politics:
@Kirwan I was agreeing with you via sarcasm, but we don't really have a sarcasm indicator, so I obviously failed miserably.
Sorry, missed that completely.
I think Godder has to raise his emoji game
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@Crucial said in NZ Politics:
@Siam said in NZ Politics:
The truth of these times is that no public person will go on record answering this question: " what is a woman?
That's because it is a really stupid question that aims solely to wind up people's emotions about others, provide ammo to attack the person that answers the question, and succeeds.
The question 'what is a man?' is equally as stupid
Are either a relevant question?
Absolutely is a stupid question. Also true that there are consequences for many people that answer it, which is even more stupid.
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