Black Lives Matter
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@JC said in Black Lives Matter:
@MajorRage I saw that a little bit differently, basically because the police didn’t seem to have any probable cause for stopping them apart from apparently being able to smell cannabis. I think they have a point when they ask why they were stopped when a white person in a similar situation wouldn’t. If the police can back up their actions with stats that demonstrate they do stop people who look like me in the same circumstances I’ll happily get back in my box, but let’s just say I’m doubtful.
This is a direct quote from The Met in the Guardian:
"The Metropolitan police alleged the vehicle had been driving suspiciously, including driving on the wrong side of the road. The force said officers indicated for the vehicle to stop but it failed to do so and made off “at speed”."
So a gangster looking car, in a high-violent crime area does the above, and the police are just expected to look the other way? Do we want London to end up like a wire-style Baltimore, or the police to do their best to try and control the streets?
Bianca denying they were doing nothing wrong and the thin streets of London why they were on the wrong side of the road, is he-says, she says only and can then be offset against the Met's view they had been driving suspiciously. So lets remove that evidence. Now you just have a gangster looking car taking off at speed when indicated to stop by the Police.
What should the police do then?
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@MajorRage said in Black Lives Matter:
@JC said in Black Lives Matter:
@MajorRage I saw that a little bit differently, basically because the police didn’t seem to have any probable cause for stopping them apart from apparently being able to smell cannabis. I think they have a point when they ask why they were stopped when a white person in a similar situation wouldn’t. If the police can back up their actions with stats that demonstrate they do stop people who look like me in the same circumstances I’ll happily get back in my box, but let’s just say I’m doubtful.
This is a direct quote from The Met in the Guardian:
"The Metropolitan police alleged the vehicle had been driving suspiciously, including driving on the wrong side of the road. The force said officers indicated for the vehicle to stop but it failed to do so and made off “at speed”."
So a gangster looking car, in a high-violent crime area does the above, and the police are just expected to look the other way? Do we want London to end up like a wire-style Baltimore, or the police to do their best to try and control the streets?
Bianca denying they were doing nothing wrong and the thin streets of London why they were on the wrong side of the road, is he-says, she says only and can then be offset against the Met's view they had been driving suspiciously. So lets remove that evidence. Now you just have a gangster looking car taking off at speed when indicated to stop by the Police.
What should the police do then?
that premise ignores the reason for wanting them to pull over in the first place
and "gangster" is subjective and unhelpful
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@MajorRage is it a "gangster-looking" car though? I would've thought gangster's would rather be inconspicuous.
Probably looks like the kinda car you might find a small bag of weed in for personal use, but not one you're gonna find anything major in I reckon.
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@MajorRage said in Black Lives Matter:
@JC said in Black Lives Matter:
@MajorRage I saw that a little bit differently, basically because the police didn’t seem to have any probable cause for stopping them apart from apparently being able to smell cannabis. I think they have a point when they ask why they were stopped when a white person in a similar situation wouldn’t. If the police can back up their actions with stats that demonstrate they do stop people who look like me in the same circumstances I’ll happily get back in my box, but let’s just say I’m doubtful.
This is a direct quote from The Met in the Guardian:
"The Metropolitan police alleged the vehicle had been driving suspiciously, including driving on the wrong side of the road. The force said officers indicated for the vehicle to stop but it failed to do so and made off “at speed”."
So a gangster looking car, in a high-violent crime area does the above, and the police are just expected to look the other way? Do we want London to end up like a wire-style Baltimore, or the police to do their best to try and control the streets?
Bianca denying they were doing nothing wrong and the thin streets of London why they were on the wrong side of the road, is he-says, she says only and can then be offset against the Met's view they had been driving suspiciously. So lets remove that evidence. Now you just have a gangster looking car taking off at speed when indicated to stop by the Police.
What should the police do then?
Exactly, I'm not sure how cops who would be lauded in less politically charged times for doing their jobs well are supposed to act now. I'd say loads of them are completely terrified of coming up against a situation that could even remotely be deemed racist.
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I heard Starmer wanking on about this. He mentioned use of handcuffs. Is this so? What was the context?
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@Catogrande I only saw a couple of short clips from the athlete's angle - appeared the guy was resisting getting out of the car so maybe for that?
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@Kiwiwomble said in Black Lives Matter:
@MajorRage said in Black Lives Matter:
@JC said in Black Lives Matter:
@MajorRage I saw that a little bit differently, basically because the police didn’t seem to have any probable cause for stopping them apart from apparently being able to smell cannabis. I think they have a point when they ask why they were stopped when a white person in a similar situation wouldn’t. If the police can back up their actions with stats that demonstrate they do stop people who look like me in the same circumstances I’ll happily get back in my box, but let’s just say I’m doubtful.
This is a direct quote from The Met in the Guardian:
"The Metropolitan police alleged the vehicle had been driving suspiciously, including driving on the wrong side of the road. The force said officers indicated for the vehicle to stop but it failed to do so and made off “at speed”."
So a gangster looking car, in a high-violent crime area does the above, and the police are just expected to look the other way? Do we want London to end up like a wire-style Baltimore, or the police to do their best to try and control the streets?
Bianca denying they were doing nothing wrong and the thin streets of London why they were on the wrong side of the road, is he-says, she says only and can then be offset against the Met's view they had been driving suspiciously. So lets remove that evidence. Now you just have a gangster looking car taking off at speed when indicated to stop by the Police.
What should the police do then?
that premise ignores the reason for wanting them to pull over in the first place
If a cop wants to pull you over, do you pull over or do you flee? If you choose to flee, is your skin colour a defence?
and "gangster" is subjective and unhelpful
Do you live in London?
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@Bones said in Black Lives Matter:
@MajorRage is it a "gangster-looking" car though? I would've thought gangster's would rather be inconspicuous.
Probably looks like the kinda car you might find a small bag of weed in for personal use, but not one you're gonna find anything major in I reckon.
The blacked out windows have been mentioned specifically many times. Must be a reason for it.
@Catogrande said in Black Lives Matter:
I heard Starmer wanking on about this. He mentioned use of handcuffs. Is this so? What was the context?
Resisting the cops when asked to get out of the car and acting all hysterical when asked questions.
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@MajorRage said in Black Lives Matter:
@JC said in Black Lives Matter:
@MajorRage I saw that a little bit differently, basically because the police didn’t seem to have any probable cause for stopping them apart from apparently being able to smell cannabis. I think they have a point when they ask why they were stopped when a white person in a similar situation wouldn’t. If the police can back up their actions with stats that demonstrate they do stop people who look like me in the same circumstances I’ll happily get back in my box, but let’s just say I’m doubtful.
This is a direct quote from The Met in the Guardian:
"The Metropolitan police alleged the vehicle had been driving suspiciously, including driving on the wrong side of the road. The force said officers indicated for the vehicle to stop but it failed to do so and made off “at speed”."
So a gangster looking car,
It was an A Class Mercedes with privacy glass in the back. I don’t know about the UK but that’s a standard feature here. A gangster would be ashamed!
in a high-violent crime area does the above, and the police are just expected to look the other way? Do we want London to end up like a wire-style Baltimore, or the police to do their best to try and control the streets?
Bianca denying they were doing nothing wrong and the thin streets of London why they were on the wrong side of the road, is he-says,
The Times says the street has only a single car width between the cars parked on either side. There’s apparently no choice but to drive in the middle. My inclination to believe they weren’t speeding is driven by the fact they had a 3 month old baby in a baby seat. Can you imagine any Mum you know not going off her rocker at her husband if he sped in that situation?
she says only and can then be offset against the Met's view they had been driving suspiciously. So lets remove that evidence. Now you just have a gangster looking car taking off at speed when indicated to stop by the Police.
they kept going for another 20 seconds till they were outside their own house
What should the police do then?
Have a valid reason for stopping them would be a good start. “I smelled cannabis” from within a TSG van when there was clearly none being used or in the car is not that reason. Both athletes are adamant they have never used drugs (for obvious reasons) or even smoked a cigarette or tasted alcohol.
Have you seen the video?
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@MajorRage said in Black Lives Matter:
@Kiwiwomble said in Black Lives Matter:
@MajorRage said in Black Lives Matter:
@JC said in Black Lives Matter:
@MajorRage I saw that a little bit differently, basically because the police didn’t seem to have any probable cause for stopping them apart from apparently being able to smell cannabis. I think they have a point when they ask why they were stopped when a white person in a similar situation wouldn’t. If the police can back up their actions with stats that demonstrate they do stop people who look like me in the same circumstances I’ll happily get back in my box, but let’s just say I’m doubtful.
This is a direct quote from The Met in the Guardian:
"The Metropolitan police alleged the vehicle had been driving suspiciously, including driving on the wrong side of the road. The force said officers indicated for the vehicle to stop but it failed to do so and made off “at speed”."
So a gangster looking car, in a high-violent crime area does the above, and the police are just expected to look the other way? Do we want London to end up like a wire-style Baltimore, or the police to do their best to try and control the streets?
Bianca denying they were doing nothing wrong and the thin streets of London why they were on the wrong side of the road, is he-says, she says only and can then be offset against the Met's view they had been driving suspiciously. So lets remove that evidence. Now you just have a gangster looking car taking off at speed when indicated to stop by the Police.
What should the police do then?
that premise ignores the reason for wanting them to pull over in the first place
If a cop wants to pull you over, do you pull over or do you flee? If you choose to flee, is your skin colour a defence?
and "gangster" is subjective and unhelpful
Do you live in London?
i did live in london for a long time, bethnal green for a few years and then Wimbldon
must be different, elsewhere in the world you need grounds to stop and search someone, a crime reported with your description for example
unless it actually had "Gangster" written down the side then its the definition of subjective, id put money on there being just as many football players driving around in similar cars as drug dealers
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@Bones said in Black Lives Matter:
So yeah, I own a suit.
Front a magistrate enough times it makes economic sense.
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@JC said in Black Lives Matter:
@MajorRage said in Black Lives Matter:
@JC said in Black Lives Matter:
@MajorRage I saw that a little bit differently, basically because the police didn’t seem to have any probable cause for stopping them apart from apparently being able to smell cannabis. I think they have a point when they ask why they were stopped when a white person in a similar situation wouldn’t. If the police can back up their actions with stats that demonstrate they do stop people who look like me in the same circumstances I’ll happily get back in my box, but let’s just say I’m doubtful.
This is a direct quote from The Met in the Guardian:
"The Metropolitan police alleged the vehicle had been driving suspiciously, including driving on the wrong side of the road. The force said officers indicated for the vehicle to stop but it failed to do so and made off “at speed”."
So a gangster looking car,
It was an A Class Mercedes with privacy glass in the back. I don’t know about the UK but that’s a standard feature here. A gangster would be ashamed!
Why do they keep mentioning it then?
in a high-violent crime area does the above, and the police are just expected to look the other way? Do we want London to end up like a wire-style Baltimore, or the police to do their best to try and control the streets?
Bianca denying they were doing nothing wrong and the thin streets of London why they were on the wrong side of the road, is he-says,
The Times says the street has only a single car width between the cars parked on either side. There’s apparently no choice but to drive in the middle. My inclination to believe they weren’t speeding is driven by the fact they had a 3 month old baby in a baby seat. Can you imagine any Mum you know not going off her rocker at her husband if he sped in that situation?
So you have no evidence, just going on gut feel that Bianca is a great Mum who would yell at her husband for speeding if they had a baby in a car? Note, I have no reason to dispute this, but it's still hearsay.
she says only and can then be offset against the Met's view they had been driving suspiciously. So lets remove that evidence. Now you just have a gangster looking car taking off at speed when indicated to stop by the Police.
they kept going for another 20 seconds till they were outside their own house
Why didn't they stop when indicated to? If a cop tries to stop me 200 yards from home, what message does it send the cop if I speed up to stop outside my house?
What should the police do then?
Have a valid reason for stopping them would be a good start. “I smelled cannabis” from within a TSG van when there was clearly none being used or in the car is not that reason. Both athletes are adamant they have never used drugs (for obvious reasons) or even smoked a cigarette or tasted alcohol.
Have you seen the video?
Yes, I've seen the video. Cops have outlined their reasons for wanting to stop them, why should I believe Bianca and not them?
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@MajorRage said in Black Lives Matter:
The blacked out windows have been mentioned specifically many times. Must be a reason for it.
Farkin hell bruv, you be stopping every second car in London if that's the case!
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@Kiwiwomble said in Black Lives Matter:
@MajorRage said in Black Lives Matter:
@Kiwiwomble said in Black Lives Matter:
@MajorRage said in Black Lives Matter:
@JC said in Black Lives Matter:
@MajorRage I saw that a little bit differently, basically because the police didn’t seem to have any probable cause for stopping them apart from apparently being able to smell cannabis. I think they have a point when they ask why they were stopped when a white person in a similar situation wouldn’t. If the police can back up their actions with stats that demonstrate they do stop people who look like me in the same circumstances I’ll happily get back in my box, but let’s just say I’m doubtful.
This is a direct quote from The Met in the Guardian:
"The Metropolitan police alleged the vehicle had been driving suspiciously, including driving on the wrong side of the road. The force said officers indicated for the vehicle to stop but it failed to do so and made off “at speed”."
So a gangster looking car, in a high-violent crime area does the above, and the police are just expected to look the other way? Do we want London to end up like a wire-style Baltimore, or the police to do their best to try and control the streets?
Bianca denying they were doing nothing wrong and the thin streets of London why they were on the wrong side of the road, is he-says, she says only and can then be offset against the Met's view they had been driving suspiciously. So lets remove that evidence. Now you just have a gangster looking car taking off at speed when indicated to stop by the Police.
What should the police do then?
that premise ignores the reason for wanting them to pull over in the first place
If a cop wants to pull you over, do you pull over or do you flee? If you choose to flee, is your skin colour a defence?
and "gangster" is subjective and unhelpful
Do you live in London?
i did live in london for a long time, bethnal green for a few years and then Wimbldon
must be different, elsewhere in the world you need grounds to stop and search someone, a crime reported with your description for example
unless it actually had "Gangster" written down the side then its the definition of subjective, id put money on there being just as many football players driving around in similar cars as drug dealers
AS it's been written and said many times, they were in a high violent crime area, where policing has been seriously upped to try and combat it. Reality is that this area has a much higher stop/search rate than others, and reality is also that there is a higher percentage of black citizens here than in most other areas (not all).
If Williams had stopped when asked, then I would actually be much more interested in why they were stopped. I'm just going on what I've read / seen. But they didn't. The fled off at speed. AS soon as they did that, they lost any high ground in my view, and that includes shouting to the media about being racially profiled.
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@Bones said in Black Lives Matter:
@MajorRage said in Black Lives Matter:
The blacked out windows have been mentioned specifically many times. Must be a reason for it.
Farkin hell bruv, you be stopping every second car in London if that's the case!
To be honest, half the reason I bought my car is because it looks rather gangster. I love the look.
But I wouldn't flee from cops when driving it around a high-violent crime area of North London.
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@MajorRage said in Black Lives Matter:
shouting to the media about being racially profiled
Yeah this is the bit that gets me. If the windows are blacked out, how do the cops even see who's in the car? As they say it was a narrow street so they weren't alongside them.
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@MajorRage said in Black Lives Matter:
To be honest, half the reason I bought my car is because it looks rather gangster. I love the look.
That is how gangster that car is. Look at you driving around with your kilos of coke and steak knife sets.
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@Bones said in Black Lives Matter:
@MajorRage said in Black Lives Matter:
To be honest, half the reason I bought my car is because it looks rather gangster. I love the look.
That is how gangster that car is. Look at you driving around with your kilos of coke and steak knife sets.
We certainly look suspicious driving between my proper middle class street and my kids school at 8am and 3:30pm every day.
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@MajorRage said in Black Lives Matter:
@Bones said in Black Lives Matter:
@MajorRage said in Black Lives Matter:
To be honest, half the reason I bought my car is because it looks rather gangster. I love the look.
That is how gangster that car is. Look at you driving around with your kilos of coke and steak knife sets.
We certainly look suspicious driving between my proper middle class street and my kids school at 8am and 3:30pm every day.
I can't decide which out of the Thule roof box, bike rack or "monster on board" sticker is making you look more suspicious.
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@Bones said in Black Lives Matter:
@JC said in Black Lives Matter:
@Bones said in Black Lives Matter:
@JC I've been pulled aside by officers twice in one week over here before - granted not in a car and I don't recall being searched other than opening my bag to show what's inside. One was in jeans/hoody/beanie the next I was wearing a suit. And no, I wasn't sporting a fro (and the rat's tail would have been inside my shirt).
So yeah, I own a suit.
So they thought you were a suit thief?
I think my eyebrow(s) gave away my heritage.
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