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@muddyriver said in NZ Politics:
Would expect drops in house prices and rents to reduce
Why would you expect rents to reduce? You don’t think that land owners will pass the additional tax onto tenants through increased rent?
whilst median take home pay to increase with drop in taxes.
What drop in taxes? There was no suggestion of lowering tax rates and the intention isn’t to redistribute the tax to higher earners. It has been clearly flagged up as a way to increase the overall tax take to fund additional spending.
more money floating around the economy, instead of going to australian banks.
As per above, there’s limited scope for new money floating around, it’s going to go into government coffers where it will become some of the least productive money in the economy.
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Surprised no one's posted here as read about in UK: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/122023431/helen-clark-peter-gluckman-rob-fyfe-on-deficiencies-and-inaccuracies-in-isolation-system
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Well the privacy leak wasn't due to incompetence as I expected, it was Michelle Boag sending private data to Hamish Walker who sent it to media.
He is trying to twist it around to 'but I shouldn't be able to see it, so it is the govt fault for not password protecting it'
What a twat. Politicians constantly tell us that the media shouldn't be trusted but it is OK to send private data to them?
I bet Muller is fuming.
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@Toddy said in NZ Politics:
@Crucial any chance of criminal charges? That'd be awesome
Against Boag? I would think they’ll be looking at it.
I m not entirely sure why she was in the distribution list as acting CEO of the rescue helicopter outfit in the first place but still -
@Paekakboyz I think that is the only possible reason although its more likely that there's a massive distribution list (just in case)
Even if helicopters were called upon to transfer someone (unlikely it would be much faster - plus hell of a sanitise job taking the chopper offline for hours) why would they need to know the names of every COVID sufferer in advance.
I see Walker is trying to explain this latest lunacy as an attempt to justify his first up mind melt i.e. look at the names I'm not a racist...
Mind boggling.
Privacy Commissioner thinks Boag is answerable under law (Walker isn't as a MP). She's certainly fucked up all her comfortable Board positions I'd have thought.
What on earth was she thinking
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Typical public service thrift too - excel spreadsheets rather than accessible database systems because of cost. The password issue is a bit of a red herring - the data was misused by people who would also have had the password, so wouldn't have done anything.
One theory on why Walker rather than Woodhouse (Nat's health spokesperson) is that Boag is Walker's Nat mentor, so was meant to be a simple hit for him (just call a press conference!), and he found the worst possible way to use it. Another was that he would use it to back up his earlier claim about countries of origin.
A pair of absolute halfwits.
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@Crucial I saw she was the acting CE. So perhaps they hadn't transferred her to an official email account or even a temp one! That's another layer of poor practice or she is dancing on the head of a pin and sent it from her CE account to her own account.
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@Paekakboyz said in NZ Politics:
@Crucial I saw she was the acting CE. So perhaps they hadn't transferred her to an official email account or even a temp one! That's another layer of poor practice or she is dancing on the head of a pin and sent it from her CE account to her own account.
It's a cluster all round.
Boag and Walker should resign for this. Utterly unacceptable behaviour, and doing anything independently of the parliamentary leadership is mind boggling.
MoH have dodged a bullet at least initially - having the sensitive names of positive tests in a freaking spreadsheet that can be emailed around is also mind boggling, and it's drowned out by Walker and Boag's actions.
Everyone Sucks Here.
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@nzzp said in NZ Politics:
@Paekakboyz said in NZ Politics:
@Crucial I saw she was the acting CE. So perhaps they hadn't transferred her to an official email account or even a temp one! That's another layer of poor practice or she is dancing on the head of a pin and sent it from her CE account to her own account.
It's a cluster all round.
Boag and Walker should resign for this. Utterly unacceptable behaviour, and doing anything independently of the parliamentary leadership is mind boggling.
MoH have dodged a bullet at least initially - having the sensitive names of positive tests in a freaking spreadsheet that can be emailed around is also mind boggling, and it's drowned out by Walker and Boag's actions.
Everyone Sucks Here.
AFAIK all govt emails have to be tagged with classification in the subject line and the server stops emails that arent. eg the header may be" UNCLASS: Meeting tomorrow"
Emails are also scanned for key words which becomes a pain if you have a disclaimer type footer on an email from a third party that says things like 'and classified information will be treated as such' and you try and forward it without reclassifying.
At bare minimum this type of info should have a footer. Even without one, anyone in Boags position knows well that it should and that personal info cannot be shared on.Boag has already quit but no doubt will collect another gig from one of her many contacts.
The inquiry is looking into why she received the info and why it was to a personal email. It could still be that it was passed to her by a 'friend'
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@nzzp - Boag could have (pretty) easily transferred the data to a non-password protected form, or just take a pic of it to forward. But if she did receive a bog standard csv or excel sheet with no password as the means of formal distribution that is a genuine fuck up. Totally with you on that aspect of this.
It's staggering that she shared it, and that he went on to send it to media! like what on earth did he think would happen? I just can't for the life of me see what sort of spin could work out well for him and National on this one. Guess he's off Boag's Xmas card list now aye... oooh too soon to mention lists!??
I want to know if it was sent more broadly within the National party, and if Muller knew about this before dumb and dumber fessed up.
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@Paekakboyz said in NZ Politics:
I want to know if it was sent more broadly within the National party, and if Muller knew about this before dumb and dumber fessed up.
Sounds like Muller knew Monday afternoon, checked there was an enquiry, and has then chopped heads since. That Walker allowed senior politicians to put the boot into a leak that came from an MP suggests that they weren't involved. Also, if anyone with sense and experience was involved, I can't see the actual information being distributed.
Honestly, I'm shaking my head. So much poor judgement and incompetence from two people who should have known better.
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Nats doing absolutely everything they can to lose the election before the campaigning starts.
This is a pretty shocking leak that is distinctive - ie memorable and helps with the de-positioning of Nats as a trustworthy government in waiting.
Thus, Labor may be able to explain away its incompetence by arguing that at least they aren't dirty political scumbags who don’t care about personal privacy.
Just terrible.
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@nzzp said in NZ Politics:
@Paekakboyz said in NZ Politics:
I want to know if it was sent more broadly within the National party, and if Muller knew about this before dumb and dumber fessed up.
Sounds like Muller knew Monday afternoon, checked there was an enquiry, and has then chopped heads since. That Walker allowed senior politicians to put the boot into a leak that came from an MP suggests that they weren't involved. Also, if anyone with sense and experience was involved, I can't see the actual information being distributed.
Honestly, I'm shaking my head. So much poor judgement and incompetence from two people who should have known better.
Good for him to check his facts first. Good of him to try and cut out the poison. Jacinda has yet to slice and dice any of her mistake ridden team if I am not mistaken. I agree it is the last thing the Nats needed right now. But I don't see them winning anyway, just have to try and keep it as close as they can
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@gt12 said in NZ Politics:
Nats doing absolutely everything they can to lose the election before the campaigning starts.
This is a pretty shocking leak that is distinctive - ie memorable and helps with the de-positioning of Nats as a trustworthy government in waiting.
Thus, Labor may be able to explain away its incompetence by arguing that at least they aren't dirty political scumbags who don’t care about personal privacy.
Just terrible.
Which party used information regarding the ethnicity of house buyers in Auckland to prove a point about immigration a while back?
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@Crucial said in NZ Politics:
@Toddy said in NZ Politics:
@Crucial any chance of criminal charges? That'd be awesome
Against Boag? I would think they’ll be looking at it.
I m not entirely sure why she was in the distribution list as acting CEO of the rescue helicopter outfit in the first place but stillWell it couldn't happen to a nicer person. Seriously, who does she think she is?
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@JC said in NZ Politics:
@canefan As shifty as that was, consciously breaching the privacy of individual, named members of the public is not something we can base our whataboutery on.
Don't get me wrong, this is a massive mistake. But let's not kid ourselves that Cindy's most excellent transparent government is much different
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