Coronavirus - Australia
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@Kiwiwomble I understand that, but growth is by no means exponential.
And I'm not against extra measures per se, but I need to see evidence as to why they will make a difference. If I'm sacrificing something (and the ability to go out after 8pm is a pretty big something) then I want to know it is going to help.
I think the severity of the situation does not yet warrant such harsh restrictions on the population.
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@barbarian no one said it is exponential...if it was it would be almost out of control
the current restrictions have at best stopped it going exponential...do we think it will go from pretty steady growth to steady decline overnight? they waited 4.5 weeks so gave them a good chance to get it under control...something had to be done
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@Kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
the current restrictions have at best stopped it going exponential...do we think it will go from pretty steady growth to steady decline overnight? they waited 4.5 weeks so gave them a good chance to get it under control...something had to be done
Yes but again I don't dispute the need for action, I dispute the need for this specific action. I am just not sure why a curfew is required at this point with things as they are.
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look i cant really argue, im not an expert in this stuff, maybe having to go through it is just making more resigned, the reality is there is little we can do other than
- trust the "experts"/authorities
- ignore / protest or similar
I resign myself to the first because i know i wont be making things worse...where as i cant say that if i do the later
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@barbarian said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@Kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
the current restrictions have at best stopped it going exponential...do we think it will go from pretty steady growth to steady decline overnight? they waited 4.5 weeks so gave them a good chance to get it under control...something had to be done
Yes but again I don't dispute the need for action, I dispute the need for this specific action. I am just not sure why a curfew is required at this point with things as they are.
My sister lives in Melbourne and says that in her experience people are being less compliant than last time. Maybe this is the response to that. If they wanted to stamp CV19 out as soon as they realised it was all on again, why did they not go hard early? They've wasted time in halfway house L3 now they will lockdown anyway
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@barbarian said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@Kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
the current restrictions have at best stopped it going exponential...do we think it will go from pretty steady growth to steady decline overnight? they waited 4.5 weeks so gave them a good chance to get it under control...something had to be done
Yes but again I don't dispute the need for action, I dispute the need for this specific action. I am just not sure why a curfew is required at this point with things as they are.
My sister lives in Melbourne and says that in her experience people are being less compliant than last time. Maybe this is the response to that. If they wanted to stamp CV19 out as soon as they realised it was all on again, why did they not go hard early? They've wasted time in halfway house L3 now they will lockdown anyway
agreed, lvl 3 lockdown "worked" first time other than the quarantine hotels so fair enough on that
this time round the numbers were already looking like exceeding the first time, should have gone hard
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@raznomore said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@canefan Yip my sister in law lives in Melbourne and she's saying the same. She has friends between the ages of 30 and 50 who are routinely flouting the social distancing rules. Parties, get-togethers, etc.
No less than you would expect from'Straya, the Amurica of Oceania....
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - Australia:
My sister lives in Melbourne and says that in her experience people are being less compliant than last time. Maybe this is the response to that. If they wanted to stamp CV19 out as soon as they realised it was all on again, why did they not go hard early? They've wasted time in halfway house L3 now they will lockdown anyway
Easy to say in hindsight. Governments should be doing enough to halt the spread of the virus, but without going so far you cause unnecessary hardship/job loss/mental health damage etc. It's a delicate balance.
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This denying civil liberties thing is a slippery slope, I'll admit. But it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. If there is no coloration between night time activities and increased virus cases then it's totalitarian governing. If a curfew somehow slows the rate of infection the public will ask why this was not something that ws implemented sooner.
Do people who have an issue with the curfew, actually really have an issue with a curfew. Are you needing to out and about on cold VIC nights or just wanting to be should the want arise? Or is it a principles thing?
At this point so long as it's not extermination or abject subjugation shouldn't we just see where this goes?
It's very easy for me to ask this without being in the situation myself, of course.
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@barbarian said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - Australia:
My sister lives in Melbourne and says that in her experience people are being less compliant than last time. Maybe this is the response to that. If they wanted to stamp CV19 out as soon as they realised it was all on again, why did they not go hard early? They've wasted time in halfway house L3 now they will lockdown anyway
Easy to say in hindsight. Governments should be doing enough to halt the spread of the virus, but without going so far you cause unnecessary hardship/job loss/mental health damage etc. It's a delicate balance.
I'd favour a shorter sharper lockdown than the drawn out one they've had. Rip the band aid off quick
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On the curfew, who is really out past 8pm if observing lockdown? When NSW had its partial lockdown no one I knew was going out anywhere in the evening anyway. Granted I'm a middle aged dude so maybe the youngins are all heading out everywhere.
But, as we've seen time and time again since Covid kicked off people just can't be trusted to do the right thing, there's too many self centred twats out there.
@canefan said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@barbarian said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - Australia:
My sister lives in Melbourne and says that in her experience people are being less compliant than last time. Maybe this is the response to that. If they wanted to stamp CV19 out as soon as they realised it was all on again, why did they not go hard early? They've wasted time in halfway house L3 now they will lockdown anyway
Easy to say in hindsight. Governments should be doing enough to halt the spread of the virus, but without going so far you cause unnecessary hardship/job loss/mental health damage etc. It's a delicate balance.
I'd favour a shorter sharper lockdown than the drawn out one they've had. Rip the band aid off quick
Victoria is basically having the NZ version now after having the Oz version earlier in the year. I actually find it baffling people in Melbourne are being less compliant, most of my work colleagues down there know someone who has tested positive.
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@raznomore said in Coronavirus - Australia:
This denying civil liberties thing is a slippery slope, I'll admit. But it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. If there is no coloration between night time activities and increased virus cases then it's totalitarian governing. If a curfew somehow slows the rate of infection the public will ask why this was not something that ws implemented sooner.
Do people who have an issue with the curfew, actually really have an issue with a curfew. Are you needing to out and about on cold VIC nights or just wanting to be should the want arise? Or is it a principles thing?
At this point so long as it's not extermination or abject subjugation shouldn't we just see where this goes?
It's very easy for me to ask this without being in the situation myself, of course.
no one ive talked to this morning has had a problem, all similar to me, "we were supposed to be out on the piss anyway", worse case was a mate thats a famous night owl, he said he couldn't go out for a run at 11pm as he sometimes did previously...but he also said he'd had more time during the day to nip out so hadn't really been running late much since COVID started
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@Kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@Nepia we're not though, all take away still avaliable for example, i thought that might have stopped before a curfew
I think I just assumed that had stopped too.
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@Kiwiwomble so it's all work, not just essential jobs then?
Fuck, what about the poor cabbies through all of this.