Coronavirus - Australia
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - Australia:
My sister lives in Melbourne and says that in her experience people are being less compliant than last time. Maybe this is the response to that. If they wanted to stamp CV19 out as soon as they realised it was all on again, why did they not go hard early? They've wasted time in halfway house L3 now they will lockdown anyway
Easy to say in hindsight. Governments should be doing enough to halt the spread of the virus, but without going so far you cause unnecessary hardship/job loss/mental health damage etc. It's a delicate balance.
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This denying civil liberties thing is a slippery slope, I'll admit. But it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. If there is no coloration between night time activities and increased virus cases then it's totalitarian governing. If a curfew somehow slows the rate of infection the public will ask why this was not something that ws implemented sooner.
Do people who have an issue with the curfew, actually really have an issue with a curfew. Are you needing to out and about on cold VIC nights or just wanting to be should the want arise? Or is it a principles thing?
At this point so long as it's not extermination or abject subjugation shouldn't we just see where this goes?
It's very easy for me to ask this without being in the situation myself, of course.
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@barbarian said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - Australia:
My sister lives in Melbourne and says that in her experience people are being less compliant than last time. Maybe this is the response to that. If they wanted to stamp CV19 out as soon as they realised it was all on again, why did they not go hard early? They've wasted time in halfway house L3 now they will lockdown anyway
Easy to say in hindsight. Governments should be doing enough to halt the spread of the virus, but without going so far you cause unnecessary hardship/job loss/mental health damage etc. It's a delicate balance.
I'd favour a shorter sharper lockdown than the drawn out one they've had. Rip the band aid off quick
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On the curfew, who is really out past 8pm if observing lockdown? When NSW had its partial lockdown no one I knew was going out anywhere in the evening anyway. Granted I'm a middle aged dude so maybe the youngins are all heading out everywhere.
But, as we've seen time and time again since Covid kicked off people just can't be trusted to do the right thing, there's too many self centred twats out there.
@canefan said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@barbarian said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - Australia:
My sister lives in Melbourne and says that in her experience people are being less compliant than last time. Maybe this is the response to that. If they wanted to stamp CV19 out as soon as they realised it was all on again, why did they not go hard early? They've wasted time in halfway house L3 now they will lockdown anyway
Easy to say in hindsight. Governments should be doing enough to halt the spread of the virus, but without going so far you cause unnecessary hardship/job loss/mental health damage etc. It's a delicate balance.
I'd favour a shorter sharper lockdown than the drawn out one they've had. Rip the band aid off quick
Victoria is basically having the NZ version now after having the Oz version earlier in the year. I actually find it baffling people in Melbourne are being less compliant, most of my work colleagues down there know someone who has tested positive.
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@raznomore said in Coronavirus - Australia:
This denying civil liberties thing is a slippery slope, I'll admit. But it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. If there is no coloration between night time activities and increased virus cases then it's totalitarian governing. If a curfew somehow slows the rate of infection the public will ask why this was not something that ws implemented sooner.
Do people who have an issue with the curfew, actually really have an issue with a curfew. Are you needing to out and about on cold VIC nights or just wanting to be should the want arise? Or is it a principles thing?
At this point so long as it's not extermination or abject subjugation shouldn't we just see where this goes?
It's very easy for me to ask this without being in the situation myself, of course.
no one ive talked to this morning has had a problem, all similar to me, "we were supposed to be out on the piss anyway", worse case was a mate thats a famous night owl, he said he couldn't go out for a run at 11pm as he sometimes did previously...but he also said he'd had more time during the day to nip out so hadn't really been running late much since COVID started
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@Kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@Nepia we're not though, all take away still avaliable for example, i thought that might have stopped before a curfew
I think I just assumed that had stopped too.
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@Kiwiwomble so it's all work, not just essential jobs then?
Fuck, what about the poor cabbies through all of this.
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@Kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo i was talking about this with the wife, he said one of the only reasons to be out after curfew was for work....and pizza delivery is a job
Does he know you call him the wife?
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@raznomore said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Do people who have an issue with the curfew, actually really have an issue with a curfew. Are you needing to out and about on cold VIC nights or just wanting to be should the want arise? Or is it a principles thing?
It's a principles thing for me. I don't want to sound too extreme, but if Government is going to impose such a harsh restriction I want to see the evidence that it's going to bloody well help out.
A curfew likely wouldn't affect me in the slightest, but I'd like to know I could duck to the shops and pick up a packet of Tim Tams for dessert, or go for a late run if I haven't had a chance to exercise that day.
I'm not particularly against the NZ solution, but you guys didn't have a curfew, did you?
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@barbarian nope.
We were just told to stay home unless you were an essential worker, which was fine for me as I could work form home, not so for people who couldnt and werent essential services.
Only leave home for essentials (food) and exercise (which was where the grey area came in of how far is too far)
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@Kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo this is the thing, its has never been Essential workers only like NZ, its only even been work form home unless you cant, i've still had field teams out on site throughout
Seems a mixed bag now
"Victoria confirms retail and other industry shutdowns as part of further COVID-19 restrictions" https://twitter.com/i/events/1290067520112619523?s=09
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yeah, watching now and am quite confused, emails going back and forth between works mate on what we can and cant do, this is why i would have preferred a more simple all encompassing approach for a shorter time
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@raznomore said in Coronavirus - Australia:
This denying civil liberties thing is a slippery slope, I'll admit. But it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. If there is no coloration between night time activities and increased virus cases then it's totalitarian governing. If a curfew somehow slows the rate of infection the public will ask why this was not something that ws implemented sooner.
Do people who have an issue with the curfew, actually really have an issue with a curfew. Are you needing to out and about on cold VIC nights or just wanting to be should the want arise? Or is it a principles thing?
I have an issue with any decision impacting on freedom in a Western liberal democracy that isn't evidence based, grandfathered, sunset applied and a compelling argument made in support of the decisions.
I'm working on a project of some national importance and yet our ability to do an element of work is now impacted because there's a curfew from 8pm that we're busy trying to get clarity on by people who can't come to a clear decision (or are too scared to).
At this point so long as it's not extermination or abject subjugation shouldn't we just see where this goes?
No certainly not.