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@Crucial said in US Politics:
Here’s an interesting summation of Trumps tenure from a group of Ohio Republicans setting out to promote Reps there to vote against him this time.
*In 2016, many of us who wanted change in the White House took a chance on Donald Trump. We thought he’d lead as a conservative Republican. Instead, he has imperiled our republic.
We are alarmed by the anti-democratic tactics and flagrant abuse of power committed daily by Donald Trump. His actions are an affront to our Constitution and the Republican Party. Our 18th president, Ohio’s Ulysses S. Grant, called his failures "errors in judgment, not intent."
In 2016, many Ohio voters put their faith in Donald Trump, us included. That was an error of judgment, not intent. For these reasons, we’re joining with other Republicans in this state to vote against President Trump this November.
He has created a culture of fear within the Republican Party as well as across the country, demonizing anyone with differing opinions. He belittles, berates, and ruins the careers of all who oppose him — including his own appointed government agency heads, respected military leaders and war heroes.
He has undermined the rule of law, obstructed justice, and issued pardons and commutations to personal cronies who helped cover up his misdeeds.
He has demonstrated gross incompetence during the COVID-19 pandemic, causing needless suffering and death.
He has run up a $2.7 trillion budget deficit, $1 trillion of which occurred before the pandemic unfolded.
He has, as the late Sen. John McCain put it, "abased himself ... before a tyrant," referring to Trump’s refusal to stand up to Russian President Vladimir Putin and protect our elections from foreign interference.
He has turned his back on our NATO allies we have embraced for 75 years.*
Just one group, but if that is an indication of how many conservative Reps are thinking then Trump will be relying on his “non-middle” supporters come election time.
The issue with this nonsense. Is most voters that will vote Trump know it is just that. For example lots of Rupublican's were anti Trump in 2016
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@Kiwiwomble said in US Politics:
@Crucial are they getting any kind of traction?
No idea. Hard to tell how much of these things are small vocal groups or the mouthpiece of a groundswell.
Anecdotally I know lifelong republicans that would confer with much of what that group wrote. They don’t think that Trump has been good for the party and dislike where he is taking things.
If the likes of the Lincoln Project and this Ohio group are the result of a silent but large moderate republican base then it makes things interesting.
Aside from that though, this election won’t be remembered by the numbers alone but by the attempts to de-legitimise the outcome whether due to postal votes or voting locations.
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@Winger said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
Here’s an interesting summation of Trumps tenure from a group of Ohio Republicans setting out to promote Reps there to vote against him this time.
*In 2016, many of us who wanted change in the White House took a chance on Donald Trump. We thought he’d lead as a conservative Republican. Instead, he has imperiled our republic.
We are alarmed by the anti-democratic tactics and flagrant abuse of power committed daily by Donald Trump. His actions are an affront to our Constitution and the Republican Party. Our 18th president, Ohio’s Ulysses S. Grant, called his failures "errors in judgment, not intent."
In 2016, many Ohio voters put their faith in Donald Trump, us included. That was an error of judgment, not intent. For these reasons, we’re joining with other Republicans in this state to vote against President Trump this November.
He has created a culture of fear within the Republican Party as well as across the country, demonizing anyone with differing opinions. He belittles, berates, and ruins the careers of all who oppose him — including his own appointed government agency heads, respected military leaders and war heroes.
He has undermined the rule of law, obstructed justice, and issued pardons and commutations to personal cronies who helped cover up his misdeeds.
He has demonstrated gross incompetence during the COVID-19 pandemic, causing needless suffering and death.
He has run up a $2.7 trillion budget deficit, $1 trillion of which occurred before the pandemic unfolded.
He has, as the late Sen. John McCain put it, "abased himself ... before a tyrant," referring to Trump’s refusal to stand up to Russian President Vladimir Putin and protect our elections from foreign interference.
He has turned his back on our NATO allies we have embraced for 75 years.*
Just one group, but if that is an indication of how many conservative Reps are thinking then Trump will be relying on his “non-middle” supporters come election time.
The issue with this nonsense. Is most voters that will vote Trump know it is just that
Eh?
This is talking about voters that should vote republican but won’t be. Trumps fans aren’t in question. A possibly large portion that voted for him last time but won’t do so again are the interesting sector. -
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
Here’s an interesting summation of Trumps tenure from a group of Ohio Republicans setting out to promote Reps there to vote against him this time.
*In 2016, many of us who wanted change in the White House took a chance on Donald Trump. We thought he’d lead as a conservative Republican. Instead, he has imperiled our republic.
We are alarmed by the anti-democratic tactics and flagrant abuse of power committed daily by Donald Trump. His actions are an affront to our Constitution and the Republican Party. Our 18th president, Ohio’s Ulysses S. Grant, called his failures "errors in judgment, not intent."
In 2016, many Ohio voters put their faith in Donald Trump, us included. That was an error of judgment, not intent. For these reasons, we’re joining with other Republicans in this state to vote against President Trump this November.
He has created a culture of fear within the Republican Party as well as across the country, demonizing anyone with differing opinions. He belittles, berates, and ruins the careers of all who oppose him — including his own appointed government agency heads, respected military leaders and war heroes.
He has undermined the rule of law, obstructed justice, and issued pardons and commutations to personal cronies who helped cover up his misdeeds.
He has demonstrated gross incompetence during the COVID-19 pandemic, causing needless suffering and death.
He has run up a $2.7 trillion budget deficit, $1 trillion of which occurred before the pandemic unfolded.
He has, as the late Sen. John McCain put it, "abased himself ... before a tyrant," referring to Trump’s refusal to stand up to Russian President Vladimir Putin and protect our elections from foreign interference.
He has turned his back on our NATO allies we have embraced for 75 years.*
Just one group, but if that is an indication of how many conservative Reps are thinking then Trump will be relying on his “non-middle” supporters come election time.
The issue with this nonsense. Is most voters that will vote Trump know it is just that
Eh?
This is talking about voters that should vote republican but won’t be. Trumps fans aren’t in question. A possibly large portion that voted for him last time but won’t do so again are the interesting sector.Here's another viewpoint on how Trump is doing. My view is he's making the Democrats look terrible. And of course some Republican's who would be more at home in the Democratic party will be upset. But posting silly nonsense will not help their cause
Even people who aren’t huge Trump fans were impressed. Paul Mirengoff, who can’t warm up to Trump but knows he’s better than Biden, called Trump’s actions on Saturday a “political masterstroke.” While Mirengoff is concerned, as everyone should be, about executive overreach (something at which Obama excelled), he recognizes the political strength behind Trump’s having emerged suddenly and overwhelmed the Democrats: [A]s a political matter, Trump’s move looks like a masterstroke. Since the days of FDR, the public has always seemed to approve of presidents who act to ameliorate suffering while Congress diddles. A flurry of activity, even of the futile or potentially counterproductive kind, makes a president look energetic and caring. People who underestimate Trump routinely do so at their peril. Everything he does is calculated, including tweets that send his political opponents scurrying around like cats chasing a light while he’s getting things done to help the American people.
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@Winger so you are still putting the house on a Trump landslide?
I’ll buy tickets in that one.
Thing is that I am reading the likes of what you just posted and weighing it up against other opinions and it just smacks of unqualified optimism at the moment.
As far as the EOs go, I don’t have a problem with the outcomes at all. Whether the desired effect of voters saying thanks Mr President happens will depend largely on whether the move is seen as cynical, whether it adds to more questions around his previous campaign promises and criticisms of the use of EOs, and whether it adds to the picture of a President that doesn’t respect the concept of the three branches of government.
The last point is quite important as those that understand their own system can often be those less vocal as they place trust in the checks and balances afforded by it. Chip away at those checks and balances (as Obama did) and that middle ground (the non-aligned is a sizeable proportion) will look to restore it.
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@booboo said in US Politics:
And the next President of the Youuu Nited States of Murka is ...
... Kamala Harris
Announced as Biden's running mate.
'Slow Joe and Phoney Kamala' is the tag assigned by the Trump campaign.
Good to see that the kiddies in the sandpit had their names already lined up.
Is there an adult in the house? Anywhere?
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@booboo said in US Politics:
And the next President of the Youuu Nited States of Murka is ...
... Kamala Harris
Announced as Biden's running mate.
I'm astonished any African American would vote for these two.
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@antipodean said in US Politics:
@booboo said in US Politics:
And the next President of the Youuu Nited States of Murka is ...
... Kamala Harris
Announced as Biden's running mate.
I'm astonished any African American would vote for these two.
I'd agree, but then of course you look at the alternative...
Who'd want to be in the US right now. What a shambles.
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@antipodean And yet they're likely to be the next 2 presidents.
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@Crucial said in US Politics:
@booboo said in US Politics:
And the next President of the Youuu Nited States of Murka is ...
... Kamala Harris
Announced as Biden's running mate.
'Slow Joe and Phoney Kamala' is the tag assigned by the Trump campaign.
Good to see that the kiddies in the sandpit had their names already lined up.
Is there an adult in the house? Anywhere?
So what would you suggest?
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@Winger said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@booboo said in US Politics:
And the next President of the Youuu Nited States of Murka is ...
... Kamala Harris
Announced as Biden's running mate.
'Slow Joe and Phoney Kamala' is the tag assigned by the Trump campaign.
Good to see that the kiddies in the sandpit had their names already lined up.
Is there an adult in the house? Anywhere?
So what would you suggest?
Oh, I don’t know, maybe just their names or titles. Kind of like a grown up would do.
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Will Donald Trump take his bat and quit the presidential race?
A Texan friend of mine offered an insightful observation of the 45th US President, Donald J. Trump. At a conference in Washington, he leaned over and said with a grin: “Bear in mind that this is a president who has not majored in history.” But there is one historical precedent that may be exercising Trump’s mind at the moment.
Few in Lyndon B. Johnson’s White House, perhaps with the exception of wife Lady Bird, knew what he was going to tell the American people during his televised address on the evening of March 31, 1968. With the Vietnam War still raging and his Great Society crumbling, LBJ surprised the nation by announcing that he would not recontest that November’s presidential election.
In words that still resonate, he told Americans: “With America’s sons in the fields far away, with America’s future under challenge right here at home, with our hopes and the world’s hopes for peace in the balance every day, I do not believe that I should devote an hour or a day of my time to any personal partisan causes or to any duties other than the awesome duties of this office — the presidency of your country. Accordingly, I shall not seek, and I will not accept, the nomination of my party for another term as your president.”
Recently, no less a seasoned campaigner than Democrat James Carville, who helped drive Bill Clinton’s campaign successfully into the White House in 1992, has suggested that Trump may not run again. It would be easy to dismiss this notion if there weren’t signs the President was doing the groundwork to enable him to exercise this option. It would be an extraordinary determination for Trump to quit the presidential race, but by any criteria devised and employed these are indeed extraordinary times.
For Trump, the idea that he could be beaten by a man campaigning from his basement in Wilmington, Delaware, is intolerable. Bear in mind that Trump has dismissed former senator Joe Biden as having occupied a trash can from which Barack Obama rescued him with a vice-presidential nomination in 2008. The Trump psychology simply cannot accept any defeat or any acknowledgment of failure.
This is the real factor that has bedevilled the Trump administration’s failings during the COVID-19 crisis. By the evidence of everyone’s eyes, Trump got it wrong, minimising the virus by way of its dangers and its impact. This has caused spiralling infection and death rates across the US. The confused and confusing American response, often contradictory, at local, state and federal levels has meant that the economy has cratered and presidential poll numbers have collapsed.
A glance at the polls for the past three months is instructive. Biden has maintained a consistent lead, sometimes stretching to double digits, which is far greater than the lead Hillary Clinton had mustered before the 2016 election. Indeed, at times Biden’s lead has been greater than Obama’s poll leads in 2008 and 2012, although the margin, routinely, should close. However, the Democrats appear to be competitive in the hitherto red state of Texas, as well as Georgia and Arizona.
If these figures for Biden v Trump continue after American Labor Day on September 7, then the White House incumbent is in desperate trouble and he knows it. Americans begin voting in a few short weeks. Time is running out for the Trump campaign.
This is why we have seen the absurd pantomime of Trump endeavouring to delay the election beyond November 3. This would set aside a US law that dates from 1845 and it is predictable that both Democrats and Republicans in congress, who hold the power to change the date, have rejected this.
The President has shifted to campaigning hard against voting by mail, with the Republican Party even challenging the decision of the state of Nevada to mail ballots to all registered voters.
There is very little evidence of mail fraud or foreign interference in US postal voting to date. Both parties have campaigned successfully through the postal system at various times. But Trump fears that the Democrats will be better organised.
Trump’s primary campaign weapon of mass rallies is now denied him (remember Tulsa?), and apparently a private endorsement by his party, in his view, should be scheduled for the White House. Or perhaps at Gettysburg.
The claim that the election is weighted too heavily against Trump can easily be made (by Trump). After all, didn’t Trump claim that between three million and five million illegal aliens had voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016 to deny the Republican candidate an overall majority? And didn’t the “stable genius” maintain that the crowd at his inauguration was greater than that at the inauguration of Obama? All our eyes must have deceived us but, then again, we are dealing with the person who boasts of being No 1 on Facebook, while Twitter removes misinformation on COVID-19 from the presidential account.
Perceived through the prism of Trump’s personal interest, “the deep state” or the “Washington swamp” or Black Lives Matters or the Democrats/the media/Nancy Pelosi have taken an unprincipled lock on the election and denied him the possibility of winning. In this setting, absent Trump, Biden wins, but the 45th President can say to his base that he would have won in a fair contest. If he does run and loses, then he has all these excuses on the mantelpiece like so many Russian dolls.
No one should underestimate Trump for his capacity to reset the agenda and rebuild his political appeal. His deliberations may yet see self-interest align with his candidacy. Buttressed by the chimera of a new vaccine, he still could win. But the scenario above is intriguing.
Stephen Loosley is a senior visiting fellow at the United States Studies Centre at the University of Sydney.
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@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@booboo said in US Politics:
And the next President of the Youuu Nited States of Murka is ...
... Kamala Harris
Announced as Biden's running mate.
'Slow Joe and Phoney Kamala' is the tag assigned by the Trump campaign.
Good to see that the kiddies in the sandpit had their names already lined up.
Is there an adult in the house? Anywhere?
So what would you suggest?
Oh, I don’t know, maybe just their names or titles. Kind of like a grown up would do.
Kind of a bit boring then. And not the best strategy.
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@Winger said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@booboo said in US Politics:
And the next President of the Youuu Nited States of Murka is ...
... Kamala Harris
Announced as Biden's running mate.
'Slow Joe and Phoney Kamala' is the tag assigned by the Trump campaign.
Good to see that the kiddies in the sandpit had their names already lined up.
Is there an adult in the house? Anywhere?
So what would you suggest?
Oh, I don’t know, maybe just their names or titles. Kind of like a grown up would do.
Kind of a bit boring then. And not the best strategy.
Any entertainment factor disappeared a long time ago.
In fact if “boring” means being a bore then maybe you’ve got it the wrong way around? -
@Winger said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Winger said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@booboo said in US Politics:
And the next President of the Youuu Nited States of Murka is ...
... Kamala Harris
Announced as Biden's running mate.
'Slow Joe and Phoney Kamala' is the tag assigned by the Trump campaign.
Good to see that the kiddies in the sandpit had their names already lined up.
Is there an adult in the house? Anywhere?
So what would you suggest?
Oh, I don’t know, maybe just their names or titles. Kind of like a grown up would do.
Kind of a bit boring then. And not the best strategy.
How is petty childish name calling even a legitimate strategy for a rational sensible adult? It worked well for Trump and his fanbois in the last election, but what does that say about those people in general? I have such a low opinion of America at the moment. China must be sitting by laughing at the way that the American Empire is surrendering their place as the No. 1 superpower
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