Coronavirus - New Zealand
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apparently the queues are over an hour long just north of Te Hana.
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@Crucial thats the thing that people don't get. Sure old people are disproportionately affected. But the strain on the medical system in general results in a whole lot of flow on effects, extended wait times for procedures, greater risk of a hospital bed or respirator being available if your able bodied self needs it. This thing is a no win situation
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One new confirmed case in managed isolation.
Four new probable cases of community transmission linked to (yesterday's) existing cases.
Of the 4 probable cases, 2 are work colleagues and 2 are in a related household that one of the cases stayed at the week prior.More new updates in this article : https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300078922/live-ashley-bloomfield-jacinda-ardern-announce-four-more-probable-covid19-cases-linked-to-auckland-family
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@canefan yep by BIL has cancer of oesophagus and due an op any day. His prognosis wasn't great but I reckon it just got a whole lot worse.
@voodoo pre Lvl 4 we had 153 ICU Beds across NZ - I think it is now just under 500 (including private sector)
I listened to a Radio NZ podcast a few weeks ago that talked about al the work done by the likes of Morgan / Tindall etc and it mentioned it. It also said we have significantly more respirators
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my daughter flats in hamilton. a friends flat which they socialize with each day have a flatmate which had direct contact with one of the covid cases in south auckland. (this flat is getting tested)they rang the covid help line and were put on hold for two hours, to see what they should do. after a 2 minute phone call they were told there is no community transfer in hamilton and to just carry on as you were.
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@ploughboy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
my daughter flats in hamilton. a friends flat which they socialize with each day have a flatmate which had direct contact with one of the covid cases in south auckland. (this flat is getting tested)they rang the covid help line and were put on hold for two hours, to see what they should do. after a 2 minute phone call they were told there is no community transfer in hamilton and to just carry on as you were.
Incompetent. Its shit like that that makes you realise how much we are riding our luck
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@ploughboy that sounds like pure scripted and dated info from the call center staff. Thats shithouse and they should absolutely have an escalation plan.
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@ploughboy assume they are smart enough to realise what they need to do?
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Watching the news paints a grim picture of the possibility of a wider outbreak...
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@Winger said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Now we don't need Winger to stoke paranoia and conspiracy theories.
It was inevitable because logic suggested it was going to happen. Based on a basic understanding of human frailties, looking at overseas experiences and just shit happens.
they have actually said this since we went to Lvl 1. I'm guessing they stepped up the messaging recently as it was obvious people were getting more and more complacent and also in light of Melbourne's debacle.
I posted about talking to a DHB and being told it was only a matter of time but that they were better prepared.
So 4 cases of the yearly flu is used as an excuse to lock the country down again. And you still don't see it.
What will it take.
At this point I believe Trump is the worlds only hope. Or we will live in a world where the people have limited rights and freedoms. Using global warming (as it gets colder) or say a yearly flu to treat us all like silly children. Where the center gives the orders and the children must comply. Or else. And many will applaud the strong Govt action to keep us all safe. As economies collapse.
Weirdest Ferner
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@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@raznomore and Ashley was so prescient with his "a 2nd wave is unavoidable" call...
Cool. Something to add to the conspiracy theories thread.
It was obvious to all that most of NZ (myself included) had become complacent and, given the likelihood of things reappearing, weren’t prepared enough for action when it did.
At least some listened and tried to prepare with masks etcI do agree that we are going to have to find a way of living with this. One of the biggest issues is that despite an increase we still don’t have the ICU capacity in our hospitals and wouldn’t cope with a widespread problem.
We have brought some time in the last couple of months but haven’t solved the conundrumTongue in cheek mate. Though he certainly wasn't spinning that message earlier...
Do you have any stats on what we have actually achieved during this curve flattening period? I havent seen much, for NZ or for Australia, and its pretty frustrating.
I saw numbers in an article just the other day. Can't remember where now.
It was something like ICU beds per million and comparing countries. When this kicked off we were pretty low compared to many and although the number has increased it is still below other countries that struggled when hit.
The whole 'it only kills old people' argument is so dumb when you understand the crippling of the country that would occur having to deal with the ill that need help and how people that would currently survive because care is available would swamp the health system and then the death rate increases.
It's not just about death either. Some very long lasting damage is done that will be a burden for many years.The only answer I can see is to ride this out the best we can with these shithouse restrictions from time to time until a medical solution is found.
Bold: we're assuming it's going to be long lasting.(Although it's probably s good sssumption. )
Virus has only been in humans for 9 months.
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@booboo and that's the thing, they dont know, so they need to work out the best way for us to live with it, unless they plan on shutting our borders completely not allowing people in, that we know cant happen.
I'm not keen to follow the Sweden path, but we have seen the current path we have taken wont work either (without shutting borders)...sure it might get rid of it so we can return to 'normal' for a few months, but it will be back, so how do we deal with that.
I assume there have been thousands of people that were turned away today, so it is likely Monday or Tuesday before we see the true numbers of infected?
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@taniwharugby I'm ever so slightly tongue in cheek querying how long lasting the health effects will be.
How will we know they will they will be long lasting when the virus has only been about for 9 months.
Having said that some of the apparent impacts on the heart, scarring on lungs etc etc are pretty certain to impact long term.
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@booboo yea they had a lady on TV the other day who said she was very active (think she was late 30s early 40s) prior to getting it, was like a bad dose of the flu but over a month after supposedly being clear she is still struggling with breathlessness, fatigue etc.