Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Godder the bar is set soooo much lower in other countries like the UK and US. We are doing so much better than them should not be justification for letting big screw ups slide here
But whose bar should we be set against? I don't think any countries have not suffered massive screw ups, we just have a western centred press. (Also not saying the screw ups shouldn't happen, they shouldn't and the govt and Ministries who F-up are fair game to cop the flack for it, but from the outside looking in you'd think NZ was the only country to screw up going by the melt down in this place :face_with_stuck-out_tongue_winking_eye: ).
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@Godder sorry I find that article almost as spurious as what Winger posts.
The fact that he is a Professor is irrelevant. He has no more knowledge of the corona virus than any other interested Kiwi. A lecturer in Political Science indeed. No wonder he comes across as an apologist for the government. I have never come across an academic pol scientist in NZ who wasn't left leaning.
The whole tone of the opinion piece is how dare you criticise the govt. Look at wat a great job they've done while suggesting it is highly probably that the Akl cluster originated through some contaminated frozen meat. Where the reality is, based on everything I have read, that is highly improbable that this will be the vector. Yes it can survive frozen in a lab but the only other documented case of this form of transmission is from China.
The maintenance workers surface contamination is already incredibly rare. It stretches credulity to imagine we could have been hit by lightening twice. Far more likely IMO that someone fucked up at Akl Airport. For which the Govt should be held accountable.
You could just as easily argue that the govt has been given an incredibly soft ride by both the general population and the press.
edit Thanks @booboo
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confirmed Auckland will still move out of L3 at midnight tonight...yet there are still some wanting L3 to be extended.
The issue with those calling for an extension, really have nothing to lose if it gets pushed out, thier jobs and livelihoods dont really seem to be at risk.
As most keep saying, we need a better plan on how we can go about our lives WITH Covid as relying on a vaccine is not really a plan
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
confirmed Auckland will still move out of L3 at midnight tonight...yet there are still some wanting L3 to be extended.
The issue with those calling for an extension, really have nothing to lose if it gets pushed out, thier jobs and livelihoods dont really seem to be at risk.
As most keep saying, we need a better plan on how we can go about our lives WITH Covid as relying on a vaccine is not really a plan
Business, life as we know it can't be compared to 2019 and before. Precautions are one thing and I'm okay with that. But they do need to strike a balance and be wary of heaping more financial pain (and all the other fallout that goes with it) going forward. Epidemiologists may be correct with their modelling. But the government or the universities don't turn their wages off when they go into lockdown
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@canefan and banks keep expecting mortgages to be paid even by those who lost jobs or had reduced income, glad I didnt need to take a 'mortgage holiday'!!
A true Mortgage Holiday would be if banks reduced the Interest rates to what thier wholesale rate for the period of the holiday too, since we know they aint gonna make you pay nothing and incur no charges or interest.
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The response plans aren't as binary as many are making out. It isn't just wide shutdown every time a case pops up.
This one had 'unknown' written all over it then proved to have spread around, hence the widespread L3.See for example the cases in Tokoroa. They are simply tracking and isolating individuals because they can do so.
This is why keeping track of your movements and limiting group contacts is so important. The rest of us don't have to shut down while we try and reduce risk.
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From a comms perspective (and I know exactly why she does it) I always find it interesting how this transparent government frames things.
Weak and passive, it just happened: 'It was a mistake' or 'a mistake was made'
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@Mokey said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Firm and active accountability: 'under my watch so I apologize.'
Whilst I agree with you - it doesn't change the fuck ups.
Politically better - yes.
Reality better -no.I was going to ask whether people are dim enough to fall for it...they probably are.
"And she had a warning, too: New Zealand will move back up alert levels if necessary."
Well piss off Mum then - I'm not doing it again. How many fucking times? If you can't sort out the Border?!!
Not doing her election chances much good with comments like that.
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@Snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Mokey said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Firm and active accountability: 'under my watch so I apologize.'
Whilst I agree with you - it doesn't change the fuck ups.
Politically better - yes.
Reality better -no.I was going to ask whether people are dim enough to fall for it...they probably are.
"And she had a warning, too: New Zealand will move back up alert levels if necessary."
Well piss off Mum then - I'm not doing it again. How many fucking times? If you can't sort out the Border?!!
Not doing her election chances much good with comments like that.
Ignoring the election vibe part, I still don’t get the connection being made between the mistakes and this outbreak (and shutdown).
There hasn’t been any shred of evidence linking the outbreak to the border.Refusing to do lockdown to spite the govt for unrelated failings seems a bit silly.
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@Snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Refusing to do lockdown to spite the govt for unrelated failings seems a bit silly.
It's not spite. Lockdown isn't doing anything. We still have it.
So do we keep doing this indefinitely?
This is not true. It stops the spread. On the ABC they mentioned the modelling done Melbourne, and on the day they hit roughly 700 cases the modelling suggested there would be over five times that number if they hadn't locked down.
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@Crucial where did it come from then?
How many games had the Blues played with >30k in attendance, if there was covid in the Auckland community, events such as these would have seen a more rapid and wider spread.
Given the sheer number of gaps at the border for people not being tested and regularly at risk and then going home, surely it has to have come through one of the many gaps.
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@Nepia said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
This is not true. It stops the spread. On the ABC they mentioned the modelling done Melbourne, and on the day they hit roughly
If you close the borders properly, yes, it will stop the spread, but we aren't.
Otherwise we will just get more outbreaks as people come in.
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@Snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Nepia said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
This is not true. It stops the spread. On the ABC they mentioned the modelling done Melbourne, and on the day they hit roughly
If you close the borders properly, yes, it will stop the spread, but we aren't.
Otherwise we will just get more outbreaks as people come in.
Sure, the borders need to be locked down (Oz and NZ seem to struggle with this), but if that fails then a lockdown does do something. (I haven't read any of the previous post above the one I replied to so good chance I may have ferned this. ).
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
As most keep saying, we need a better plan on how we can go about our lives WITH Covid as relying on a vaccine is not really a plan
See, it is a plan, it's just the worst possible one in the case of there being no vaccine or it taking too long to be found. Other countries at least have herd immunity as a backup.
The thing that really worries me is how much worse of a position we will be in if we do change our strategy due to how much money that will have ultimately been wasted trying to eliminate the virus. Not to mention how much more apprehensive the country will be due to how much they've been told we need to eliminate it.
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@Nepia said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Refusing to do lockdown to spite the govt for unrelated failings seems a bit silly.
It's not spite. Lockdown isn't doing anything. We still have it.
So do we keep doing this indefinitely?
This is not true. It stops the spread. On the ABC they mentioned the modelling done Melbourne, and on the day they hit roughly 700 cases the modelling suggested there would be over five times that number if they hadn't locked down.
I'm not talking Melbourne either. This is the NZ virus thread. The lock down here is different.