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@Kirwan said in NZ Politics:
@dogmeat said in NZ Politics:
Is anyone else totally bemused by the National Party strategy - assuming there is one?
It seems to be fatally flawed to me. Trying to make Collins all cutesy and user friendly. Never going to win that battle. Might as well channel the inner pit bull and go all out.
If it was me I'd be campaigning along the lines of Vote Labour if you want moonbeams and unicorns but not if you want stuff done. Kiwibuild, Light Rail, Child Poverty, Pay Inequality, Secure Borders?
Kiwibuild, Light Rail, Child Poverty, Pay Inequality, Secure Borders
Put the snarl up against the Smile. Probably doomed to fail but at least you'd be trying. All National seem to be trying to achieve is something better than 2002My Facebook is full of National announcements on policy and trying to set a vision. Good long term planning type stuff. Not sure where you are seeing the cutesy stuff, but I guess on TV?
To me it looks like they are positioning themselves as the party that can things done, and Labour as the party of broken promises (they are stacking up now) and people out of their depth.
Will it be enough change the media narrative, particularly about Taxinda? Probably not, but at least there are ideas being talked about instead of babies and the gender of a leader.
Obviously you're a righty, but why Taxinda? What tax increases have there been?
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@booboo said in NZ Politics:
@Godder said in NZ Politics:
Doesn't look like Labour have any great ambitions to massive structural changes, so I don't think there will be much radical change coming.
Of course you say that to encourage voting Labour
in fairness to @godder, he's absolutely right. Modern politicians have big ambitions, but timid implementations. It's really hard to pick them apart on policy, and has been since MMP kicked off. If you don't live and breathe in the centre, you won't be in power. It's really simple.
Hell - even the Greens signed up for the Budget Responsiblity Rules before the last election. They are really disappointing - as I've said before (and it'll never happen) the gains they could have got by negotiating iwth National (or even threatening it) would have been immense.
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@reprobate said in NZ Politics:
@Kirwan said in NZ Politics:
@dogmeat said in NZ Politics:
Is anyone else totally bemused by the National Party strategy - assuming there is one?
It seems to be fatally flawed to me. Trying to make Collins all cutesy and user friendly. Never going to win that battle. Might as well channel the inner pit bull and go all out.
If it was me I'd be campaigning along the lines of Vote Labour if you want moonbeams and unicorns but not if you want stuff done. Kiwibuild, Light Rail, Child Poverty, Pay Inequality, Secure Borders?
Kiwibuild, Light Rail, Child Poverty, Pay Inequality, Secure Borders
Put the snarl up against the Smile. Probably doomed to fail but at least you'd be trying. All National seem to be trying to achieve is something better than 2002My Facebook is full of National announcements on policy and trying to set a vision. Good long term planning type stuff. Not sure where you are seeing the cutesy stuff, but I guess on TV?
To me it looks like they are positioning themselves as the party that can things done, and Labour as the party of broken promises (they are stacking up now) and people out of their depth.
Will it be enough change the media narrative, particularly about Taxinda? Probably not, but at least there are ideas being talked about instead of babies and the gender of a leader.
Obviously you're a righty, but why Taxinda? What tax increases have there been?
ACT have a handy summary;
https://www.act.org.nz/cost-of-labour
According to them, eight new or increases to taxes from Labour, amounting to the average household paying $2,279 more in tax per year. Doesn't include the increase to the top rate recently announced either.
Just looking at the regional fuel tax, and the impact in Auckland. Before Labour introduced that tax I never knew the cost of petrol, or saw queues in petrol stations. Now when the local Gull has their Thursday deal the queue stretches along the street.
A tax that hits poor people the hardest, just getting to work.
Taxinda is a well earned nickname.
As for being a righty. I'm pro gay marriage (including allowing adoption), have no problems with legalised prostitution, legalised dope, and plenty of other "lefty" positions.
I just believe that politicians should have as little impact on the economy as possible, especially as NZ is in a short three year election lolly scramble cycle.
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@Kirwan ACT are correct of course but it's almost fake news in that it ignores the fact that every government increases taxes like this.
National introduced the brightline tax, increased tobacco, fuel and alcohol every year, raised GST 2.5%, introduced a tax on employer KiwiSaver contributions and halved the annual member tax credit, cutting up to $512 a year off savers, introduced a border levy, a tax on digital purchases and raised fees for prescriptions, family courts etc
so how come it wasn't bills-us-english or keyp-our-money?
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@dogmeat said in NZ Politics:
@Kirwan ACT are correct of course but it's almost fake news in that it ignores the fact that every government increases taxes like this.
National introduced the brightline tax, increased tobacco, fuel and alcohol every year, raised GST 2.5%, introduced a tax on employer KiwiSaver contributions and halved the annual member tax credit, cutting up to $512 a year off savers, introduced a border levy, a tax on digital purchases and raised fees for prescriptions, family courts etc
so how come it wasn't bills-us-english or keyp-our-money?
So Taxinda has raised taxes? Which was the question being asked.
Tried desperately for a captial gains tax and now is raising the top end rate for income tax. National do that?
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@Kirwan It wasn't me that queried the Taxinda name - I have no issues with it. I was merely pointing out that every party raises taxes by stealth. Labour this term has been no better or worse than their predecessors.
It's actually a problem for National as one of their traditional major focuses of attack has been removed. Taxinda has said she will never revisit CGT and the 39% tax rate isn't going to lose them many, if any, voters.
What National should concentrate on is why the govt spent all that time and money on a tax working group and then did nothing. Remind some on the left that Labour isn't delivering.
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@dogmeat said in NZ Politics:
@Kirwan It wasn't me that queried the Taxinda name - I have no issues with it. I was merely pointing out that every party raises taxes by stealth. Labour this term has been no better or worse than their predecessors.
It's actually a problem for National as one of their traditional major focuses of attack has been removed. Taxinda has said she will never revisit CGT and the 39% tax rate isn't going to lose them many, if any, voters.
What National should concentrate on is why the govt spent all that time and money on a tax working group and then did nothing. Remind some on the left that Labour isn't delivering.
And as I mentioned earlier, that's what many of their social media posts are doing. Some of them are quite funny.
I was replying to an earlier poster that queried the name, the implication that it was unfair. Clearly they have raised and introduced (and tried for more) enough taxes for that name to stick.
The regional fuel tax in particular is a painful tax. She then had the balls to blame the fuel companies when 40% of the price of fuel is now tax.
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Yeah I have no issue with the Regional Fuel tax if it delivers much needed infrastructure. I can see why the likes of @Snowy out in the boonies might feel he gets no benefit from it but that's the nature of any taxation. My tax contributes to lots of things that don't benefit me directly.
I have to admit I don't even know what petrol costs as I haven't had to pay for any for decades but the commerce commission decided the fuel companies were ripping the public off didn't they so tax take irrespective they were a deserving target.
I have done some quick research. National increased fuel tax by 20 cents, introduced a 9 cent/litre carbon tax and increased GST by 2.5% Labour have increased fuel tax by 10.5 cents and introduced Regional Fuel tax.
Not sure which govt first committed to actually spending the tax on transport
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@Crucial said in NZ Politics:
Regional Fuel tax is a strange example to moan about.
It is your council that asked for the provision to be put in place then your council that asked to use it.Oh, you make a distinction between the Phil Goff lead council and Labour? Cute.
It's 100% a Labour led tax.
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@dogmeat said in NZ Politics:
Yeah I have no issue with the Regional Fuel tax if it delivers much needed infrastructure. I can see why the likes of @Snowy out in the boonies might feel he gets no benefit from it but that's the nature of any taxation. My tax contributes to lots of things that don't benefit me directly.
I have to admit I don't even know what petrol costs as I haven't had to pay for any for decades but the commerce commission decided the fuel companies were ripping the public off didn't they so tax take irrespective they were a deserving target.
I have done some quick research. National increased fuel tax by 20 cents, introduced a 9 cent/litre carbon tax and increased GST by 2.5% Labour have increased fuel tax by 10.5 cents and introduced Regional Fuel tax.
Not sure which govt first committed to actually spending the tax on transport
One of the main justifications of the tax increase was the light rail white elephant policy from Labour, now "on hold". So again, they aren't keeping their promises.
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@Kirwan Akl Council wanted it to support CRL
The light rail timeframe they promised was never going to be achieved but it's now on hold because of muppet Twyford getting seduced by the Super Fund light metro proposal which really would be a nonsensical white elephant.
Much as I want light rail on the isthmus and even more urgently out to Westgate I'm glad NZF scuppered Twyfords folly even if they did it for all the wrong reasons
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@dogmeat said in NZ Politics:
I can see why the likes of @Snowy out in the boonies might feel he gets no benefit from it but that's the nature of any taxation. My tax contributes to lots of things that don't benefit me directly.
All of mine does go somewhere else, which is my issue. Fuel tax? For AKL? WTF. I live so far away and try not to go there but still cop it. I could drive 60km north and save some cash but that is defeating the purpose. I would rather the tax money went somewhere and could see some results, which we don't.
Rates are tax. I get nothing. Why are they they same everywhere? The supercity is a serious rort.
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@Snowy said in NZ Politics:
@dogmeat said in NZ Politics:
I can see why the likes of @Snowy out in the boonies might feel he gets no benefit from it but that's the nature of any taxation. My tax contributes to lots of things that don't benefit me directly.
All of mine does go somewhere else, which is my issue. Fuel tax? For AKL? WTF. I live so far away and try not to go there but still cop it. I could drive 60km north and save some cash but that is defeating the purpose. I would rather the tax money went somewhere and could see some results, which we don't.
Rates are tax. I get nothing. Why are they they same everywhere? The supercity is a serious rort.
Blame ACT for that one, that was a Rodney Hide special.
Despite the complaints, we tax fuel less than most of the OECD apparently (https://www.aa.co.nz/cars/owning-a-car/fuel-prices-and-types/how-petrol-prices-are-calculated/)
Hypothecation of fuel taxes was introduced by Dr Cullen (Labour) from July 2008.
I know people like to complain, but we are a low tax country by OECD measures. A few tweaks and small increases here and there doesn't change that. Even if we introduced the Green tax and welfare policies, we would still be in the bottom half of the OECD for tax.
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@Godder said in NZ Politics:
@Snowy said in NZ Politics:
@dogmeat said in NZ Politics:
I can see why the likes of @Snowy out in the boonies might feel he gets no benefit from it but that's the nature of any taxation. My tax contributes to lots of things that don't benefit me directly.
All of mine does go somewhere else, which is my issue. Fuel tax? For AKL? WTF. I live so far away and try not to go there but still cop it. I could drive 60km north and save some cash but that is defeating the purpose. I would rather the tax money went somewhere and could see some results, which we don't.
Rates are tax. I get nothing. Why are they they same everywhere? The supercity is a serious rort.
Blame ACT for that one, that was a Rodney Hide special.
Despite the complaints, we tax fuel less than most of the OECD apparently (https://www.aa.co.nz/cars/owning-a-car/fuel-prices-and-types/how-petrol-prices-are-calculated/)
Hypothecation of fuel taxes was introduced by Dr Cullen (Labour) from July 2008.
I know people like to complain, but we are a low tax country by OECD measures. A few tweaks and small increases here and there doesn't change that. Even if we introduced the Green tax and welfare policies, we would still be in the bottom half of the OECD for tax.
Yep, everyone upset about NZ tax hikes should try living in the UK. Scandinavian-style tax with the state providing comparatively stuff all..
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@nzzp said in NZ Politics:
In the UK they had stamp duty on house sales - kind of a CGT in another name. Low rated, but applied to every property transaction.Just looked it up (https://www.gov.uk/stamp-duty-land-tax/residential-property-rates#:~:text=You usually pay Stamp Duty,when you bought the property) - free up to GBP500k, then 5-12% above that!
Just catching up on this thread, so forgive me if addressed, but you triggered me. They changed Stamp duty recently as part of covid I think. We got absolutely reamed selling sub 300k last year.
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@Godder said in NZ Politics:
@Snowy said in NZ Politics:
@dogmeat said in NZ Politics:
I can see why the likes of @Snowy out in the boonies might feel he gets no benefit from it but that's the nature of any taxation. My tax contributes to lots of things that don't benefit me directly.
All of mine does go somewhere else, which is my issue. Fuel tax? For AKL? WTF. I live so far away and try not to go there but still cop it. I could drive 60km north and save some cash but that is defeating the purpose. I would rather the tax money went somewhere and could see some results, which we don't.
Rates are tax. I get nothing. Why are they they same everywhere? The supercity is a serious rort.
Blame ACT for that one, that was a Rodney Hide special.
you can - and the Super hasn't been awesome, but the previous configuration wasn't working either. Trying to get region wide agreement on work was damn near impossible - and then (and this goes back to Robbie's light rail) councils (well, politicians) seemed to oppose initiatives, not because they would lose out, but because someone else would gain more. It was dysfunctional and toxic.
No obvious fixes, and a lot of that has got a heap better. But yeah, 'super city' eh. Needs a Tui billboard.
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@Bones said in NZ Politics:
@nzzp said in NZ Politics:
In the UK they had stamp duty on house sales - kind of a CGT in another name. Low rated, but applied to every property transaction.Just looked it up (https://www.gov.uk/stamp-duty-land-tax/residential-property-rates#:~:text=You usually pay Stamp Duty,when you bought the property) - free up to GBP500k, then 5-12% above that!
Just catching up on this thread, so forgive me if addressed, but you triggered me. They changed Stamp duty recently as part of covid I think. We got absolutely reamed selling sub 300k last year.
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