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Trump's a monster. I swear Wallace aged 5 years trying to moderate that. Trump came across as a bully but also strong. Biden definitely 2nd best but didn't lose composure too much so is hardly going to lose votes over it. When it comes down to 2 people potentially lying about each other then its only impressions that count. Trump wins on that but I don't think there would be any impact on the polls.
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@Frank said in US Politics:
Sounds like it was a shitshow. Glad I am teaching and checking in to see it was a shitshow.
Two old guys talking over each other calling the other one a liar and ignoring the moderator. Moderator didn't insist on answers, so we got prepared soundbites.
Both got their attack quotes in, and I doubt anybody watching that has any different opinions on the canditates than before they started.
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Proud Boys are pretty happy “Proud Boys, Stand back and stand by...But someone has to do something about Antifa.”
Think he kind of fluked that, moderator tried to coax Trump into saying them and militia patriot groups are white supremacists. Could have very easily lost support there. No doubt the headlines will be "Trump refuses to denouce white supremacist groups"
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@Rembrandt Trump did say he'd denounce anyone Biden could name and thats all he said so i dont think that wold even get on the list of trumped up headline
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shocking how little actual policy gets talked about, i have this plan or that plan but very little about what the plans involve, think they both were spending more time working out when they could call the other a lair
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@Godder said in US Politics:
Must have been even, different forums I frequent think their preference won.
I don’t think it was even. Trump has lowered the bar so much that his appalling behaviour won’t change anybody’s mind. The few times when Biden got a clear run he sounded not incoherent, but that’s about the best I can say. Neither were inspirational in the least. The Dems obviously thought Biden’s experience was a positive but it wasn’t. They would have been better fielding someone who Trump couldn’t point to as previously part of an ineffectual administration.
Best moment was Trump’s crack about the size of Biden’s rallies. Even Wallace couldn’t stifle a laugh at that one.
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@Kiwiwomble said in US Politics:
so far as i see it, trump, simple and understandable, we won so get to do it...but didn't answer the second part of the question
Biden tried to answer everything but waffled
...was there a third option?
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I can't really get behind Biden - he should have retired years ago and it shows, but the limited amount of the debate that I saw turned me even more off Trump. What a fucking horrible bully. That should play well with his base, but I wonder about how it will go down with the suburban housewives and older voters.
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I've been trying to avoid politics as much as possible, so anyone on my social media who posts about it goes straight to unfriend (or in the case of my godmother, ignore all posts), but I do watch some of the Hill commentary as they make some effort to represent both sides (albeit from a populist position spanning both).
What I saw there suggests that older voters have Coronavirus front and center, so my question is whether ppl think Biden landed any blows on Trump today that might put forward the 'fucked up Covid' thing front and center again for older voters (i.e. ppl who actually vote). After thinking about it and reading @JC 's post, I think he's right - I doubt Trump's behaviour will actually change many minds, but how the candidates to played to different groups may be interesting.
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IMHO the two most topical issues of the last 9 months are covid19 and black lives matter (the issue, not the organisation). Maybe law and order by association. I wonder if people will feel strongly enough about either issue to get out and vote, either way
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@gt12 said in US Politics:
I can't really get behind Biden - he should have retired years ago and it shows, but the limited amount of the debate that I saw turned me even more off Trump. What a fucking horrible bully. That should play well with his base, but I wonder about how it will go down with the suburban housewives and older voters.
As someone said when trying to choose between Trump and Clinton in 2016.....it's like trying to decide which end of a piece of dogshit to pick up. Exactly the same situation again.
I caught the tail end of Trump being told off for interrupting all the time, he then pointed out Biden had too.....fuck sake, my kids have more mature attitudes than that fluffybunny.
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