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@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
@MiketheSnow said in US Politics:
Said it months ago
His family, friends, and the DNC should be fucking ashamed of themselves
People, inc the DNC, appear so focussed on getting rid of Trump - to the point of obsession - that all other considerations and rationality seem to have gone out the window.
It's a deranged type of politics which seems to believe getting rid of Trump is going to bring in some sort of political nirvana. The voter anger that produced Trump's win in 2016 just isn't going to go away with a Biden victory.
Very true but you can’t reform away from the craziness of Trump without getting rid of him first.
That is the main aim for them after all. Offering up a new way and convincing everyone about it is a much harder and riskier road -
@Crucial said in US Politics:
Very true but you can’t reform away from the craziness of Trump without getting rid of him first.
That is the main aim for them after all. Offering up a new way and convincing everyone about it is a much harder and riskier roadAnd therein lies the problem for Trump's opponents. Declaring Trump is crazy and inferring voters were not only wrong but stupid as they elected a crazy President - particularly after their loopy conspiracy theories about Russia stealing the election were exposed as just that.
The DNC don't seem to be able (or want) to see the political divide in the US, let alone understand or address it. They're no different to Trump - just more self-righteous.
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@Victor-Meldrew I don't think it matters what they say about Trump. No one is listening to each other, mostly they are all in one camp or another and in their own echo chambers. If there is a sizable swing vote out there they are not vocal
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@Victor-Meldrew said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
Very true but you can’t reform away from the craziness of Trump without getting rid of him first.
That is the main aim for them after all. Offering up a new way and convincing everyone about it is a much harder and riskier roadAnd therein lies the problem for Trump's opponents. Declaring Trump is crazy and inferring voters were not only wrong but stupid as they elected a crazy President - particularly after their loopy conspiracy theories about Russia stealing the election were exposed as just that.
The DNC don't seem to be able (or want) to see the political divide in the US, let alone understand or address it. They're no different to Trump - just more self-righteous.
From your viewpoint of course. Others see the Reps as pretty self righteous as well just in a different way.
Russian interference is not a conspiracy theory. They interfered, plain as day. The investigations were about whther they were encourged from inside the camp. Investigations that were necessary because of actions and lies by certain people close to the campaign.
Trump wanted to paint it all about himself and witch hunts etc.I haven't seen any campaigning telling voters that they made a mistake or were stupid. The campaigning is about how he has acted during his tenure. You can, of course, take an inference that you are being demeaned because you helped vote him in but it certainly isn't explicit. Not even the Dems are stupid enough to demean voters twice.
From anecdotes coming through from swing states voters are quite compfortable saying that they are happy they voted for him last time but are happy not to this time. His pitch on Covid is the biggest issue he will win or lose on. Are people buying his revision of history and pitch that it will all go away or are they affected by the virus and wish he had done/is doing more in the way of leadership through the crisis.
It seems to be a gamble by Trump. He is preaching to the converted when the people that will decide this are those that need convincing. -
@canefan said in US Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew I don't think it matters what they say about Trump. No one is listening to each other, mostly they are all in one camp or another and in their own echo chambers. If there is a sizable swing vote out there they are not vocal
One of best and succinct summaries of the mess that is the US election I've read.
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@canefan said in US Politics:
@Crucial I'm not sure if people will believe the news or not, there is a surge of covid19 cases and some will believe its real but there are many who still don't
It will be more about whether people are affected directly, either through illness to themselves/family/friends or have lost jobs etc. That's what motivates changes of thinking, not media reports about general stuff happening elsewhere.
Unfortunately for Trump Covid is affecting the swing state voters.
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@Crucial said in US Politics:
Russian interference is not a conspiracy theory. They interfered, plain as day.
Not what I said. But hey...
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A preview of tonight's Tucker where Biden's former business partner Tony Bubulinski is guest.
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@Kiwiwomble said in US Politics:
@canefan exactly, lets just get it over and one with one way or the other, this is painful...
I don't think the hysteria ends after the election
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@canefan said in US Politics:
@Kiwiwomble said in US Politics:
@canefan exactly, lets just get it over and one with one way or the other, this is painful...
I don't think the hysteria ends after the election
It will only just begin.
If Trump loses wait for the waves of hypocrisy from Trump supporters that cried 'suck it up' to Hillary.
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If Trump loses I expect Biden to talk in conciliatory tones that will be unfamiliar to Americans used to the last 4 years. If there is no evidence of the country turning into a socialist junta like Don is scaring people into thinking gradually over time things might calm down a little. But with all the alt media there will still be people on the losing side, Trump or Biden, who will be convinced that the sky is falling
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@Crucial said in US Politics:
@canefan said in US Politics:
@Crucial I'm not sure if people will believe the news or not, there is a surge of covid19 cases and some will believe its real but there are many who still don't
It will be more about whether people are affected directly, either through illness to themselves/family/friends or have lost jobs etc. That's what motivates changes of thinking, not media reports about general stuff happening elsewhere.
Unfortunately for Trump Covid is affecting the swing state voters.
Forget family members its 250k people off the electoral roll too. In the context of the 2016 and 2000 results that could be all the difference
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@Crucial said in US Politics:
@canefan said in US Politics:
@Kiwiwomble said in US Politics:
@canefan exactly, lets just get it over and one with one way or the other, this is painful...
I don't think the hysteria ends after the election
It will only just begin.
If Trump loses wait for the waves of hypocrisy from Trump supporters that cried 'suck it up' to Hillary.
Oh for sure. I agree
And the left certainly has form not accepting election results.
Fours years of it. -
@Crucial said in US Politics:
Russian interference is not a conspiracy theory. They interfered, plain as day.
The issue though is the evidence for this is so weak its a joke. And how many millions were wasted to find this evidence. And it doesn't even clearly link to the Russian Govt with a preference for one party
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@Frank said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@canefan said in US Politics:
@Kiwiwomble said in US Politics:
@canefan exactly, lets just get it over and one with one way or the other, this is painful...
I don't think the hysteria ends after the election
It will only just begin.
If Trump loses wait for the waves of hypocrisy from Trump supporters that cried 'suck it up' to Hillary.
Oh for sure. I agree
And the left certainly has form not accepting election results.
Fours years of it.This is another key election. In fact more so than the last one as Trump has now got his forces in place. If he wins he can continue to drain the swamp but without so many forces fighting against him. Esp if he wins both the Senate and House. He can (drain the swamp)- and I hope he does (Biden certainly won't. Likewise Kamala).
The US has become a criminal enterprise. And both sides have their hand in the pot. If the rot isn't stopped the US is finished as the top dog. The elite (including the politicians) will do well but the people will suffer (a lot more).
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