Coronavirus - UK
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@MiketheSnow Agreed
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@MiketheSnow whose painting a rosy picture?
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@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MiketheSnow whose painting a rosy picture?
MSM posted in this thread
Deflection
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Tim said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Bones Think it's a two dose vaccine as well.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32623-4/fulltext
One dose 60% effective. Two up to 90%.
Getting scientific here, but the reason that they accidentally gave half doses in the AstraZeneca trial has just been released. The Italian manufacturers used a method called qPCR to confirm the strength (potency) of the drug supplied, which is the correct way to do that. Oxford when they received it, did their own tests using a different method (NANODROP), determined that the drug was twice the potency that it was, trusted their own results and watered it down accordingly.
Pretty bad process to assume the test you did is right (especially when NANODROP is typically used just for spot checks, not full quality control), and then not to bother checking with the manufacturers at all, or testing via qPCR (which is not very time consuming), then just going ahead and trusting your own results in isolation.
Through such fuckups are scientific breakthroughs made...
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
I read somewhere that German doctors were furious they had the vaccine but were barred from administering it until the EU Commission gave the go-ahead.
Imagine just handing over your sovereignty like that.
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@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MiketheSnow whose painting a rosy picture?
MSM posted in this thread
Deflection
To be fair, i think the news on the vaccine front looks pretty good - particularly on this side of the Channel.
There's been loads of things every country should have done better in hindsight - not least the UK.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
I read somewhere that German doctors were furious they had the vaccine but were barred from administering it until the EU Commission gave the go-ahead.
Imagine just handing over your sovereignty like that.
Less sovereignty for me, more handing over control of public health issues to unelected bureaucrats who think it a great idea to put politics before peoples lives in the middle of a pandemic.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
I read somewhere that German doctors were furious they had the vaccine but were barred from administering it until the EU Commission gave the go-ahead.
Imagine just handing over your sovereignty like that.
Less sovereignty for me, more handing over control of public health issues to unelected bureaucrats who think it a great idea to put politics before peoples lives in the middle of a pandemic.
In a nutshell my biggest bugbear with EU is responsibility without accountability. Like being run by the civil service.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MiketheSnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MajorRage said in Coronavirus - UK:
@MiketheSnow whose painting a rosy picture?
MSM posted in this thread
Deflection
To be fair, i think the news on the vaccine front looks pretty good - particularly on this side of the Channel.
There's been loads of things every country should have done better in hindsight - not least the UK.
UK leads the developed world. EU 'Nul points'.
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
I read somewhere that German doctors were furious they had the vaccine but were barred from administering it until the EU Commission gave the go-ahead.
Imagine just handing over your sovereignty like that.
Less sovereignty for me, more handing over control of public health issues to unelected bureaucrats who think it a great idea to put politics before peoples lives in the middle of a pandemic.
In a nutshell my biggest bugbear with EU is responsibility without accountability. Like being run by the civil service.
Funnily enough Margaret Thatcher's wanted the EU run by a professional civil service but answerable to the European parliament. Not such a bad idea in retrospect.
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
I read somewhere that German doctors were furious they had the vaccine but were barred from administering it until the EU Commission gave the go-ahead.
Imagine just handing over your sovereignty like that.
Less sovereignty for me, more handing over control of public health issues to unelected bureaucrats who think it a great idea to put politics before peoples lives in the middle of a pandemic.
In a nutshell my biggest bugbear with EU is responsibility without accountability. Like being run by the civil service.
Funnily enough Margaret Thatcher's wanted the EU run by a professional civil service but answerable to the European parliament. Not such a bad idea in retrospect.
It's not?
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@booboo said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
I read somewhere that German doctors were furious they had the vaccine but were barred from administering it until the EU Commission gave the go-ahead.
Imagine just handing over your sovereignty like that.
Less sovereignty for me, more handing over control of public health issues to unelected bureaucrats who think it a great idea to put politics before peoples lives in the middle of a pandemic.
In a nutshell my biggest bugbear with EU is responsibility without accountability. Like being run by the civil service.
Funnily enough Margaret Thatcher's wanted the EU run by a professional civil service but answerable to the European parliament. Not such a bad idea in retrospect.
It's not?
IMO no, not a bad idea, but maybe I didn’t explain it very well. The idea was that you would have an elected and accountable set of policy makers with a professional civil service implementing policy. This rather than having an unelected and unaccountable group shaping and implementing policy with a largely irrelevant elected parliament.
Well, that’s one view anyway.
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@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
@booboo said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Catogrande said in Coronavirus - UK:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - UK:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
I read somewhere that German doctors were furious they had the vaccine but were barred from administering it until the EU Commission gave the go-ahead.
Imagine just handing over your sovereignty like that.
Less sovereignty for me, more handing over control of public health issues to unelected bureaucrats who think it a great idea to put politics before peoples lives in the middle of a pandemic.
In a nutshell my biggest bugbear with EU is responsibility without accountability. Like being run by the civil service.
Funnily enough Margaret Thatcher's wanted the EU run by a professional civil service but answerable to the European parliament. Not such a bad idea in retrospect.
It's not?
IMO no, not a bad idea, but maybe I didn’t explain it very well. The idea was that you would have an elected and accountable set of policy makers with a professional civil service implementing policy. This rather than having an unelected and unaccountable group shaping and implementing policy with a largely irrelevant elected parliament.
Well, that’s one view anyway.
It sounds a bit "Yes Prime minister" either way. You still end up with Sir Humphrey running the show.
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Oxford AstroZeneca vaccine approved.
Mass roll-out planned to start next week with 5-10m doses available straight away.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
Oxford AstroZeneca vaccine
Hopefully just in the nick of time.
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Hi I'm R. L and I'm a Tier4ian!
Yawn with me. Refused to watch the news earlier but everyone and their mother decides to text me and say how grim everything is. Love hearing that obviously. Haven't looked at the figures don't intend to. We saying biiiig lockdown soon right, as in no schools? Our primary can stay open even in tier 4 as not high enough but doubt that will last long. I just don't get it any more, I don't get any of it, all this hokeycokeying in out in out. Argh.Hope you are all well and uninfected in your parts of the UK (or world-"all in this together")
Having a preventative Baileys (aka fat alcohol), not preventative in the slightest but that's my excuse,and is like drinking a glass of merriness! It's still Christmas time right? -
@R-L said in Coronavirus - UK:
"all in this together"
Seemingly not. Had an email from the UK bemoaning lockdown and all the constraints but have to do what's necessary to curb the outbreak etc. Message ended with "we'll probably break it on New Years Eve but we'll only have a few people over".....
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so what are the restrictions?
From what I gather from the 2nd hand info from MRs TR when she talks to her parents is that it still isnt as strict as what we had back in March?
Mrs TRs dad has sold his house (in Herts inside M25) is moving North (Staffordshire) and is still allowed to move (think he needs to be out in 2 weeks)
Those new daily case numbers in the UK are just crazy!
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - UK:
@R-L said in Coronavirus - UK:
"all in this together"
Seemingly not. Had an email from the UK bemoaning lockdown and all the constraints but have to do what's necessary to curb the outbreak etc. Message ended with "we'll probably break it on New Years Eve but we'll only have a few people over".....
Not a winning attitude. When will people stop railing against these lockdowns and realise the best way out of them as soon as possible is to do what they need to and follow the rules?