Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life i have a tan
you can't appropriate that just because you are from Northland bro
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@mariner4life can too
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No community cases again today. Still early but shit we have been lucky
Meanwhile the government is doubling down on the KFC worker's claims. 15 texts seems like a lot....
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Still early but shit we have been lucky
or our risk models are wrong. because I've seen this before
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Still early but shit we have been lucky
or our risk models are wrong. because I've seen this before
Who bloody knows anymore. For what ever reason this thing does not seem to spread with the enthusiasm that was seen in the NH
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Still early but shit we have been lucky
or our risk models are wrong. because I've seen this before
Who bloody knows anymore. For what ever reason this thing does not seem to spread with the enthusiasm that was seen in the NH
my entire point (no, rant, rant is a better word) this entire time has been, our options do not appear to be just lockdown everything all the time, or otherwise the UK. But i hear that sort of message a lot in justification.
But yes, i freely admit that i have no fucking idea, and i am basing my ranty opinions on the privileged position we appear to be in.
I still struggle to wrap my head around the US numbers.
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@mariner4life their numbers are beyond mental. The tally of infectious folk let alone the death figures. How many of our stadiums filled how many times.
Deep in the Stuff article it listed a number of ways the Govt is trying to connect with youth and various target groups. If the messaging is so shit I guess the rep of some of those groups is gonna take a hit? or will they plead that the Govt didn't listen to their advice?
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@paekakboyz am sure there is always someone else to blame!
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I still struggle to wrap my head around the US numbers.
I don't. Third most populous nation on earth, half of which are fat fluffybunnies.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I still struggle to wrap my head around the US numbers.
I don't. Third most populous nation on earth, half of which are fat fluffybunnies.
Half?
Last time I was there I saw morbidly obese people in their 30s and 40s riding mobility scooters eating their massive meals. They were ripe for this kind of disease
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@canefan what is interesting is some of the other countries that have been smashed (death per mill)
Czechia & Belgium are at the top, Mexico's numbers look to only recently starting to tail off, but they have long been seen as one of the Obesity capitals.
I know when I spoke to my mate in Prague back in October, he was extremely critical of how relaxed they had let thing go very recently, and the numbers were starting to get out of control then.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan what is interesting is some of the other countries that have been smashed (death per mill)
Czechia & Belgium are at the top, Mexico's numbers look to only recently starting to tail off, but they have long been seen as one of the Obesity capitals.
I know when I spoke to my mate in Prague back in October, he was extremely critical of how relaxed they had let thing go very recently, and the numbers were starting to get out of control then.
So multifactorial then
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Sounds like the KFC girl can form a decent argument that she thought she was doing the right thing. Text messages were shown on TV and were apparently ambiguous according to Mrs CF, and I can believe that. The other guy has no such out, he's just a selfish fluffybunny
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@canefan I didnt see that bit but they were talking about the cultural and language barriers...
I dont buy it, these people have been living in NZ for the last year, know what is going on, so they are choosing to do things how they do them (jeez you only need to watch Border Patrol or whatever it is to see how many people try to use language as a reason they had all those seeds and meat products in thier suitcase)
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan I didnt see that bit but they were talking about the cultural and language barriers...
I dont buy it, these people have been living in NZ for the last year, know what is going on, so they are choosing to do things how they do them (jeez you only need to watch Border Patrol or whatever it is to see how many people try to use language as a reason they had all those seeds and meat products in thier suitcase)
It was more about the ambiguity of the instructions. She was not a close contact. Interesting example, someone we know was considered a contact+ (whatever that means)of the Kmart cell. They were told they didn't need testing and didn't need to tell anyone about it. This person chose to inform his workmates. You either are a contact or not surely?
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@canefan I wasnt talking about that aspect, was another piece on the news I was referrign to.
I guess to give some of these people complaining leeway about the messaging, Papatoetoe HIgh have done a great job getting thier students and most of thier families on board with the testing (more than once) maybe the Govt. can learn a little from how they got the messaging out to a high % of the people.
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Honestly speaking, I am starting to struggle to see the NZ way out of this.
This is not to criticise the approach, if the whole world has done what NZ had done (effectively) then it'd be in a much better situation. However it didn't. Up here, we know and have learned to live with it. The lockdowns have sucked, the economy is in tatters, and we've had bloody Brexit in the middle of it! However, right now, we as a country actually see where we (hope we) are going. The vaccine has seriously kicked in, number of 80+ in ICU is in single digits, a very cautious open up plan is public. Yesterdays numbers were the lowest in cases for 6 months, lowest in deaths for 5. Bear in mind the UK usually loses 15,000 people per flu season which is 100 per day. We aren't far off that in Covid terms now, after flu being down 95%. Subsequently, you can argue that from a health perspective, we aren't far off back to normal.
There is a genuine excitement in the air of coming out of this and the country working on it's new reality. Who knows what it will bring? Sunak's budget tomorrow will be quite revealing. I'm hoping for fat-tax, slight increase in corporation tax (with offsets for job supply) & big tech online sales tax changes. I'm sure I'll get hit in the pocket in other ways as well, such is life.
But what is NZ's roadmap? When will my parents be vaccinated (70 & 73 respectively)? When will they feel safe enough to get on a plane to come here and see their grandkids (who miss them terribly) and their son who fears he may never see at least one of them again. When I'm vaccinated (which will likely be in < 3 months) will I be able to visit NZ with my family (logistics of school age kids and 2 week quarantine)?
I recognise that only as a NZ citizen & secondary tax payer my views are beneath NZ residents. But I hear real frustration from my parents over the handling of the whole thing, and the closing off of the country. Dad genuinely thinks in a few months we'll be out 'n about whilst he will he be locked down in the BoP due to an outbreak of 3-4 people in South Auckland. And obviously thinks that is a roadmap to disaster. It feels to me that Ardern and co think that its' best to vaccinate the country and then continue with the quarantine for quite some time. I'm not sure that's a roadmap to anywhere.
I acknowledge my Dad is a curmudgeonly old bastard at the best of times btw. But what is the roadmap? When can I visit next without quarantine, when will my parents be allowed to leave?
Sorry for the rant ... a quick question I had for the TSF wisdom sort of went nuts ...