Coronavirus - Overall
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:
No surprises: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-obesity-idUSKBN2AW1X0
Certainly goes a long way to explaining the USA and UK
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:
No surprises: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-obesity-idUSKBN2AW1X0
Certainly goes a long way to explaining the USA and UK
About time the UK messaging changed to include
Move more, eat less
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Definitely one of the pieces of the puzzle (obesity) along with age, public response to authority, government competence, public health competence, global interconnectivity etc etc.
Of course, most obese region of the world is our neck of the woods, South Pacific.
Dont know where that Reuters article on that study gets UK as 4th most obese country in world? Seem to be ranked in the 30s.
Regions with more obesity than UK, South Pacific and Caribbean. Can explain low impact by ability to close off islands. But other region with high obesity is Gulf Arabia, which include areas extremely globally interconnect as global airline hubs.
It would be interesting to see a study that deep dived into Fench Polynesia, Bermuda, UAE, Kuwait, Hong Kong, Guam, Saudi. Places with high obesity rates that also got reasonably exposed to covid outbreaks.
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@rapido said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Definitely one of the pieces of the puzzle (obesity) along with age, public response to authority, government competence, public health competence, global interconnectivity etc etc.
Of course, most obese region of the world is our neck of the woods, South Pacific.
Dont know where that Reuters article on that study gets UK as 4th most obese country in world? Seem to be ranked in the 30s.
Regions with more obesity than UK, South Pacific and Caribbean. Can explain low impact by ability to close off islands. But other region with high obesity is Gulf Arabia, which include areas extremely globally interconnect as global airline hubs.
It would be interesting to see a study that deep dived into Fench Polynesia, Bermuda, UAE, Kuwait, Hong Kong, Guam, Saudi. Places with high obesity rates that also got reasonably exposed to covid outbreaks.
Saudi has an extraordinary proportion of its population under 30.
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@majorrage said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@rapido UAE is an emerging and developing economy? Not sure that's right .... guess it depends on your view what that means.
agreed, stupid classification of UAE.
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@snowy said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@rapido said in Coronavirus - Overall:
agreed, stupid classification of UAE.
The second graph was clearly drawn by an Israeli. They aren't usually too fond of the UAE.
Didn't they sign a treaty recently? I remember Trump being there
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@snowy said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@rapido said in Coronavirus - Overall:
agreed, stupid classification of UAE.
The second graph was clearly drawn by an Israeli. They aren't usually too fond of the UAE.
Didn't they sign a treaty recently? I remember Trump being there
Yes. They agreed to talk to each other.
I suspect that when they "talk" we will end up where we were.
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@rapido I just caught an an analysis on the radio into the research into the link between obesity and COVID mortality To precis - lies, damned lies and statistics.
Apparently the research only broke the populations they looked at into two groups - countries with over 50% of the popn classed as overweight and with high mortality per population size and countries with very low obesity rates.
I'm sure you can all see where this is going straight away.
the statistician doing the analysis made it very clear that obesity increases your chance of dying from Covid but he made the point that it has no impact on your chances of catching covid. He also pointed out that all the countries that fell into the second group looked at i.e. the thin countries also have very young populations and it is age that is the main risk factor with covid. The research also ignored countries with high obesity but low mortality rates like Oz and NZ (talk about doctoring the figures).
By drilling into the backgrounds of people who have died from COvid it is apparently possible to measure the impact of obesity in age terms.
So an obese 30 year old who catches Covid will have the same risk of dying as a 47 year old in the 'normal' weigh range. Which is pretty dramatic but still only puts you at a slightly elevated risk. Plus teh risk corelation declines as you get older. A 55 yr old obese person carries the same risk as a normal 62 year old and a 70 year old obes a 74 year old normal person.
So despite being in the news everywhere the report is a crock of shit.
While being obese is a risk factor and is bad for your health in all sort of ways, with Covid, age is the big risk factor and the report is incredibly slanted in the way that it chooses the groups for comparison
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@rapido I just caught an an analysis on the radio into the research into the link between obesity and COVID mortality To precis - lies, damned lies and statistics.
Apparently the research only broke the populations they looked at into two groups - countries with over 50% of the popn classed as overweight and with high mortality per population size and countries with very low obesity rates.
I'm sure you can all see where this is going straight away.
the statistician doing the analysis made it very clear that obesity increases your chance of dying from Covid but he made the point that it has no impact on your chances of catching covid. He also pointed out that all the countries that fell into the second group looked at i.e. the thin countries also have very young populations and it is age that is the main risk factor with covid. The research also ignored countries with high obesity but low mortality rates like Oz and NZ (talk about doctoring the figures).
By drilling into the backgrounds of people who have died from COvid it is apparently possible to measure the impact of obesity in age terms.
So an obese 30 year old who catches Covid will have the same risk of dying as a 47 year old in the 'normal' weigh range. Which is pretty dramatic but still only puts you at a slightly elevated risk. Plus teh risk corelation declines as you get older. A 55 yr old obese person carries the same risk as a normal 62 year old and a 70 year old obes a 74 year old normal person.
So despite being in the news everywhere the report is a crock of shit.
While being obese is a risk factor and is bad for your health in all sort of ways, with Covid, age is the big risk factor and the report is incredibly slanted in the way that it chooses the groups for comparison
Conversely, I know people over the age of 70 who are not obese who have contracted COVID and lived but that number is far exceeded by people under the age of 70 who are obese who have died.
So a small sample, but perhaps it's not as clear cut as just age.
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@mikethesnow Apologies if I didn't make it clear. The report I heard made the point that being obese is far more likely to result in a bad outcome but was pretty dismissive of the research done in the much published article from last week.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@rapido I just caught an an analysis on the radio into the research into the link between obesity and COVID mortality To precis - lies, damned lies and statistics.
Apparently the research only broke the populations they looked at into two groups - countries with over 50% of the popn classed as overweight and with high mortality per population size and countries with very low obesity rates.
I'm sure you can all see where this is going straight away.
the statistician doing the analysis made it very clear that obesity increases your chance of dying from Covid but he made the point that it has no impact on your chances of catching covid. He also pointed out that all the countries that fell into the second group looked at i.e. the thin countries also have very young populations and it is age that is the main risk factor with covid. The research also ignored countries with high obesity but low mortality rates like Oz and NZ (talk about doctoring the figures).
By drilling into the backgrounds of people who have died from COvid it is apparently possible to measure the impact of obesity in age terms.
So an obese 30 year old who catches Covid will have the same risk of dying as a 47 year old in the 'normal' weigh range. Which is pretty dramatic but still only puts you at a slightly elevated risk. Plus teh risk corelation declines as you get older. A 55 yr old obese person carries the same risk as a normal 62 year old and a 70 year old obes a 74 year old normal person.
So despite being in the news everywhere the report is a crock of shit.
While being obese is a risk factor and is bad for your health in all sort of ways, with Covid, age is the big risk factor and the report is incredibly slanted in the way that it chooses the groups for comparison
The biggest problem the author has made here is to just talk about deaths. Obviously, this is the worst outcome and a natural statistic to use. But a more valid comparison would be talk about those who need to go to hospital, icu and also deaths.
People seem dismissive of all the others things which I've always found rather mind-blowing. Going to hospital is shit at the best of times, but its considerably worse in the middle of a pandemic where the resources are strained, you can't see your friends/family real pain, suffering and deaths are all around you.