Black Lives Matter
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@catogrande said in Black Lives Matter:
@bones said in Black Lives Matter:
@crazy-horse would you not be a bit more focused in SBT? Or is it a muscle memory type thing?
If you're actually firing a weapon at someone, would you not be inclined to take that split second when the weapon is in front of you to check/aim before pulling the trigger?
And after 26 years?
I'm genuinely curious, not trying to be a dick.
You’d think easy right hand = gun. Awkward left hand = other means.
I think you generally wear your gun on the opposite hip for easy draw? In the video the other officer had taser on left and gun on right, so reach across for taser, or more awkward down and up to get gun out.
Edit: I think I read or saw that somewhere anyway, maybe in the Wiggles doc/book.
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@crazy-horse said in Black Lives Matter:
@bones said in Black Lives Matter:
Sorry if it's already been discussed, but I've just seen the video and properly heard the story about Daunte Wright.
I mean, what the? After 26 years on the force how do you mistake your gun on one hip, for your taser on another? Surely they also feel quite different in the hand and then look quite different when you aim up...
I find it really hard to buy the mistake line. Moment of thoughtless madness?
Edit: it also seemed like even hurriedly firing a taser might have been a bit much in the situation, but hard to judge from a couple seconds of vid.
And did I see right that she somehow ended up without the gun?
It's actually not that hard to get mixed up. I have seen it done in training, and once I did it at change of shift. Someone asked for my Taser and I got my gun out and practically handed it to him before realising.
If it can happen in training it can definitely happen when it's squeaky but time.
Yeah, hard to read anything into this other than a tragic accident judging by her immediate reaction and shock. You could perhaps argue carelessness. If the situation only warranted a taser, and that was to stop him (he wasn't being aggressive) then it shouldn't have been such a frantic situation that you couldn't check.
I watched the video and it is unclear if the cop that did the shooting pulled the weapon at the last moment or had already pulled it. That could make a difference in that she pulled the gun then started thinking taser and got confused.
Just shows how fucked up the US is that police even feel the need to be pulling any weapons in such a benign situation. If they had stepped back and talked he would have driven off. Big fucking deal.
They must think Police 10-7 in NZ is a comedy. I've seen scrotes on that actually pushing and taking swings at cops and they still just de-escalate the situation as priority. -
@bones said in Black Lives Matter:
@catogrande said in Black Lives Matter:
@bones said in Black Lives Matter:
@crazy-horse would you not be a bit more focused in SBT? Or is it a muscle memory type thing?
If you're actually firing a weapon at someone, would you not be inclined to take that split second when the weapon is in front of you to check/aim before pulling the trigger?
And after 26 years?
I'm genuinely curious, not trying to be a dick.
You’d think easy right hand = gun. Awkward left hand = other means.
I think you generally wear your gun on the opposite hip for easy draw? In the video the other officer had taser on left and gun on right, so reach across for taser, or more awkward down and up to get gun out.
Edit: I think I read or saw that somewhere anyway, maybe in the Wiggles doc/book.
It's taser on opposite side. The taser manufacturers do everything they can to give you clues as to what you have grabbed. Colour, shape. no safety, different style of trigger.
From what I have seen though many cops wear the taser and gun so close together (more in the front) that you both are easily reached by the dominant hand without effort. -
@bones said in Black Lives Matter:
@crazy-horse would you not be a bit more focused in SBT? Or is it a muscle memory type thing?
If you're actually firing a weapon at someone, would you not be inclined to take that split second when the weapon is in front of you to check/aim before pulling the trigger?
And after 26 years?
I'm genuinely curious, not trying to be a dick.
It's a proper brain fart for sure. I would hope if I grabbed the wrong one I would realise before it was too late, but the mind and body does weird things under pressure.
The last couple of years our training has incorporated quick drills where we are deciding whether to draw the taser or the glock while under pressure. Muscle memory is fine to have, but it has to work in conjunction with the brain and chose the right muscle memory to activate.
I wonder what sort of training she has had in her 20 odd years? That will come out in the court case I suppose.
A wee war story. When things go to shit it's crazy what you sometimes end up doing. I remember one night fighting with a guy on the ground and I had a wrist lock on him. I was cranking it up big time, but it was having no effect. His girlfriend was in the middle of the wrestle and she was screaming her head off. I kept cranking the wrist lock, harder and harder. Nothing happened except the girl kept screaming I couldn't work out what was happening. The guy was getting out of control. Then my partner realised I had the wrist lock on the girl....
I guess what I am saying is brain farts happen. This one ended in tragedy. Every cop's nightmare, not to mention the poor guy who lost his life and his family who have been left behind.
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@crucial said in Black Lives Matter:
@bones said in Black Lives Matter:
@catogrande said in Black Lives Matter:
@bones said in Black Lives Matter:
@crazy-horse would you not be a bit more focused in SBT? Or is it a muscle memory type thing?
If you're actually firing a weapon at someone, would you not be inclined to take that split second when the weapon is in front of you to check/aim before pulling the trigger?
And after 26 years?
I'm genuinely curious, not trying to be a dick.
You’d think easy right hand = gun. Awkward left hand = other means.
I think you generally wear your gun on the opposite hip for easy draw? In the video the other officer had taser on left and gun on right, so reach across for taser, or more awkward down and up to get gun out.
Edit: I think I read or saw that somewhere anyway, maybe in the Wiggles doc/book.
It's taser on opposite side. The taser manufacturers do everything they can to give you clues as to what you have grabbed. Colour, shape. no safety, different style of trigger.
From what I have seen though many cops wear the taser and gun so close together (more in the front) that you both are easily reached by the dominant hand without effort.We wear the glock on the dominant side and the taser on the other. To draw the taser you reach across your body. We have to wear it that way.
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@crazy-horse said in Black Lives Matter:
I had the wrist lock on the girl
Muscle memory eh.
The other thing I didn't see properly - had they already got the cuffs on this guy properly?
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@crazy-horse said in Black Lives Matter:
@crucial said in Black Lives Matter:
@bones said in Black Lives Matter:
@catogrande said in Black Lives Matter:
@bones said in Black Lives Matter:
@crazy-horse would you not be a bit more focused in SBT? Or is it a muscle memory type thing?
If you're actually firing a weapon at someone, would you not be inclined to take that split second when the weapon is in front of you to check/aim before pulling the trigger?
And after 26 years?
I'm genuinely curious, not trying to be a dick.
You’d think easy right hand = gun. Awkward left hand = other means.
I think you generally wear your gun on the opposite hip for easy draw? In the video the other officer had taser on left and gun on right, so reach across for taser, or more awkward down and up to get gun out.
Edit: I think I read or saw that somewhere anyway, maybe in the Wiggles doc/book.
It's taser on opposite side. The taser manufacturers do everything they can to give you clues as to what you have grabbed. Colour, shape. no safety, different style of trigger.
From what I have seen though many cops wear the taser and gun so close together (more in the front) that you both are easily reached by the dominant hand without effort.We wear the glock on the dominant side and the taser on the other. To draw the taser you reach across your body. We have to wear it that way.
Yep. That’s what I was trying to say. I have also seen photos where although the “rules” are followed the taser is more on the front of the non dominant side meaning that you don’t reach far.
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Idris Elba's Luther "not black enough"
Character didn't eat enough Jerk Chicken, apparently
As one of the first prime time television dramas starring a black actor in the title role, Luther broke new ground for on-screen representation. Idris Elba’s depiction of the obsessive detective John Luther earned him a clutch of best actor awards including a Golden Globe, as well as recognition from the NAACP, America’s foremost civil rights organisation. There is just one problem with the character, according to a BBC diversity chief: he’s not authentically black enough. Miranda Wayland cited the popular crime drama as an example of a series that is only superficially diverse, as the corporation seeks for more convincing and rounded portrayals of minority groups. “When it first came out everybody loved the fact that Idris Elba was in there — a really strong, black character lead,” said Wayland, the corporation’s head of creative diversity. “We all fell in love with him. Who didn’t, right? But after you got into about the second series you got kind of like, OK, he doesn’t have any black friends, he doesn’t eat any Caribbean food, this doesn’t feel authentic.” The BBC executive said that while it was important for key characters in landmark series to come from diverse backgrounds, casting more black actors was only part of the solution. “It’s about making sure that everything around them — their environment, their culture, the set — is absolutely reflective,” she told the MIPTV conference. Her comments may come as a surprise to Neil Cross, the show’s creator and writer, who previously revealed that Elba was attracted to the role precisely because race was not a major factor. The character only became black when Elba was cast. “I have no knowledge or expertise or right to try to tackle in some way the experience of being a black man in modern Britain,” Cross, who is white, has said. “It would have been an act of tremendous arrogance for me to try to write a black character. We would have ended up with a slightly embarrassed, ignorant, middle-class, white writer’s idea of a black character.” Last night the BBC played down the executive's criticism of one of its most popular shows. A spokeswoman said: “The iconic role of DCI John Luther has become one of TV’s most powerful detective characters of which we are tremendously proud.” Luther launched on BBC One in 2010 and ran for five series, attracting audiences of near ten million. It has been sold to 200 territories around the world, and a feature film is in the pipeline. Elba’s character is a brilliant but dysfunctional detective, whose workaholic lifestyle masks a troubled private life. His gruff manner and fits of anger have made him an isolated figure; his marriage to on-screen wife Zoe, played by the half-Indian actress Indira Varma, falls apart in series one. The psychological thriller, which also stars Ruth Wilson, does not explore Luther’s experience as a black man in a white-dominated police force. Wayland suggested this would not be the case if the corporation were developing the drama today.
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@victor-meldrew Mrs Boo has discovered the recipe for jerk chicken. It's really nice. Been having it lots.
Does that make us cultural appropriating white supremacists, or just mean we quite like jerk chicken?
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@booboo said in Black Lives Matter:
@victor-meldrew Mrs Boo has discovered the recipe for jerk chicken. It's really nice. Been having it lots.
Does that make us cultural appropriating white supremacists, or just mean we quite like jerk chicken?
I'm sure it can be both.
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@booboo said in Black Lives Matter:
@victor-meldrew Mrs Boo has discovered the recipe for jerk chicken. It's really nice. Been having it lots.
Does that make us cultural appropriating white supremacists, or just mean we quite like jerk chicken?
Labour's Shadow Diversity Minister, Dawn Butler, once accused Jamie Oliver of exactly that when he published a recipe for Jerk Chicken.
Which prompted one of the best tweets ever from Tory Chairman James Cleverley: "Whatever you do, Dawn, don't go into Tesco. They do this great Chicken Tikka & Mozzarella pizza which would probably blow your mind"
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@victor-meldrew huh, go figure.
Idrissa Akuna Elba was born on September 6, 1972, in the Hackney section of East London, England. An only child of Sierra Leonean and Ghanaian descent,
Jerk is a style of cooking native to Jamaica, in which meat is dry-rubbed or wet marinated with a hot spice mixture called Jamaican jerk spice.
Racist bitch.
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Jerk chicken is fucking great and if this lex luthor fucker doesn't like he's obviously a piston wristed gibbon ripe for cancellation
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@bones said in Black Lives Matter:
@victor-meldrew huh, go figure.
Idrissa Akuna Elba was born on September 6, 1972, in the Hackney section of East London, England. An only child of Sierra Leonean and Ghanaian descent,
Jerk is a style of cooking native to Jamaica, in which meat is dry-rubbed or wet marinated with a hot spice mixture called Jamaican jerk spice.
Racist bitch.
No. You're the racist. Idris is playing a character. Who is of Jamaican descent.
Probably.
Oh and did I say racist?
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@catogrande said in Black Lives Matter:
@booboo said in Black Lives Matter:
@victor-meldrew Mrs Boo has discovered the recipe for jerk chicken. It's really nice. Been having it lots.
Does that make us cultural appropriating white supremacists, or just mean we quite like jerk chicken?
I'm sure it can be both.
Perhaps we could ask the "Diversity" folk if a West Indian like Tony Cozier cooking Jerk Chicken is cultural appropriation. Tricky one that - would keep them busy for years.
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@catogrande said in Black Lives Matter:
@bones said in Black Lives Matter:
@victor-meldrew huh, go figure.
Idrissa Akuna Elba was born on September 6, 1972, in the Hackney section of East London, England. An only child of Sierra Leonean and Ghanaian descent,
Jerk is a style of cooking native to Jamaica, in which meat is dry-rubbed or wet marinated with a hot spice mixture called Jamaican jerk spice.
Racist bitch.
No. You're the racist. Idris is playing a character. Who is of Jamaican descent.
Probably.
Oh and did I say racist?
Fuck. The series was written by a white dude.
Def wascist.
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@catogrande so he's the racist then, not allowed to play other ethnicities.
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@bones said in Black Lives Matter:
@catogrande so he's the racist then, not allowed to play other ethnicities.
Good point. You can park the white pointy hat for now.
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@catogrande said in Black Lives Matter:
You can park the white pointy hat for now
that's quite the euphemism, but who am I to decline such an invite
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@catogrande said in Black Lives Matter:
@bones said in Black Lives Matter:
@catogrande so he's the racist then, not allowed to play other ethnicities.
Good point. You can park the white pointy hat for now.