Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
what else is there?
Gulp...π. We used to call it scientific enquiry using the scientific method ππ
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@siam ok, at this point, what else is there other than speculation?
Like one of the outbreaks here, I dont think they ever traced the source?
GUess an issue is, in NZ/Aus with such low numbers, they are able to do alot of work to try and trace sources, so when they cant find a source, is when wilder ideas come in I guess?
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@taniwharugby a paranoia free life?
Nah, I don't know mate. Each to their own is best.π
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@siam ok, at this point, what else is there other than speculation?
Like one of the outbreaks here, I dont think they ever traced the source?
GUess an issue is, in NZ/Aus with such low numbers, they are able to do alot of work to try and trace sources, so when they cant find a source, is when wilder ideas come in I guess?
Lots of money to be paid by scaring the public.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@kirwan easy to scare people in the world today, sadly something like this will bring out the worst in people too.
Yep, already has IMO. We really need a better standard of reporting (canβt call most of this stuff journalism). Needs a better business model.
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@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@kirwan easy to scare people in the world today, sadly something like this will bring out the worst in people too.
Yep, already has IMO. We really need a better standard of reporting (canβt call most of this stuff journalism). Needs a better business model.
I agree the press have a lot to answer for, but equally the public WANT this response. They want to keep up elimination, they want these lockdowns (provided the Govt keeps writing checks, the repayment of which is to be punted 1-2 generations down the road).
You only have to look at the election results of NZ, QLD, WA, and even VIC.
The political will to have any level of risk tolerance hasn't been there ever since they realised that flattening the curve was only the start of what little island nations can achieve medically and politically.
I remember asking the question about a year ago around here, as to whether we would continue to accept lockdowns for these "breakouts". Clearly the answer is yes. If this latest cluster happened anywhere other than NSW, there would be a lockdown already, and even there, it's likely to happen by end of week.
Just nuts.
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
You only have to look at the election results of NZ, QLD, WA, and even VIC.
That assumes knowing the voters priorities. I'd suggest election results rely on many more variables than consenting to a very new and often stated temporary pandemic. There's at least voter's pre covid satisfaction and level of opposition as variables.
I'm reluctant to blame the citizens for the decisions of the last 14 months
I question the hypothesis that recent elections were referenda on covid. ( especially Victoria)
I do get your gist though mate. Looks bleak
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@voodoo i think the media will have you believe we are happy to go into lockdown over and over.
The quality of media is surely at an all time low, yet a time when so many are turning to it to keep them 'informed'
I still scan every day, but know so many don't.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo i think the media will have you believe we are happy to go into lockdown over and over.
The quality of media is surely at an all time low, yet a time when so many are turning to it to keep them 'informed'
I still scan every day, but know so many don't.
the question I ask people is 'do you trust the headlines you read'. Inevitably, I don't think you do - they have clickbaitted their way to being largely irrelevant.
It's a real pity, and I'd love to see some proper old fashioned journalism going on. RNZ are pretty good on non-political/cultural stories, but they struggle to see (or care about) their own inherent biases
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Stuff:
Knife Edge!!! Super Spreader!!!
buried in the body as an after thought "He noted however that the person was partially vaccinated with AstraZeneca, meaning they could be far less infectious.
The first results from their four closest contacts had also come back negative, which was good news - although the virus was potentially still incubating.
"Some people are just not particularly infectious,β Baker said"
This alarmist bullshit is allowing our Governments to pretty much do what ever the fuck they want.
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
"Some people are just not particularly infectious,β Baker said"
and how quick people forget!
We had that woman cruising around Northland while infected, visiting loads of places during a busy summer period, her husband in the car the whole time, several other close contacts, supposedly with the more virulent UK variant and yet nothing came of it, no one caught it from her.
Clickbait media are fluffybunnies
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
"Some people are just not particularly infectious,β Baker said"
and how quick people forget!
We had that woman cruising around Northland while infected, visiting loads of places during a busy summer period, her husband in the car the whole time, several other close contacts, supposedly with the more virulent UK variant and yet nothing came of it, no one caught it from her.
Clickbait media are fluffybunnies
because it works TR, because an enormous amount of people on both sides of the ditch are more than happy with the status quo.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@siam I get your point, but in absence of an actual explanation as to how those 2 got it, what else is there?
Either way, I'm happy to cut Wellington lose and let them stay part of Aus to keep us safe, shut the borders!!
Isn't it just the aerosol theory anyway?
Like the 2 people in MIQ in NZ ages ago, only contact was breathing into same hotel corridor when getting their swab test at hotel room door. Doors not open at same time.
It seems to be possible, but the Delta variant isn't really relevant/new to that theory.