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I have to extend some sympathy to Greta. She’s a victim of brainwashing, abuse and exploitation. The apocalyptic ideas and words that come from her lips didn’t come out of a void. They came from indoctrination and hysteria. I wouldn’t have been surprised if you’d trotted a kid onto the podium at the UN General Assembly who’d spent the entirety of their life being raised and educated by Jim Jones you might have heard a very similar speech, with the same emotional intensity and righteous indignation. The language comes straight out of extremist religion. Skeptics aren’t simply wrong — they’re evil and heretics. And if you don’t repent and change your ways, there will be no salvation, ‘cos, The End Is Nigh.
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@Salacious-Crumb I'm reminded of a guy I know in London who comes from Côte d'Ivoire. Lots of his family have been killed over the years and he said to me "Child soldiers kill you just as dead". Sympathy is fine but you can't let bad ideas flourish just because it's uncomfortable to challenge the messenger.
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While I see both sides of the Greta issue, I do think some of the criticism of her (and the general youth climate movement) is a bit ill-advised.
For whatever reason, this is an issue that really resonates with young people. In the context of the 20th century, this is not unique and it comes along from time to time in various forms.
There are good ways and bad ways to address these concerns. Saying words to the effect of 'these dumb kids need to shut up and let the grown-ups sort it out' is the worst possible way to deal with it. And I've seen plenty of criticism in Australia that is more or less saying that.
That approach just furthers the divide, and creates animosity where it's not needed.
The same thing happened with the climate protests in Sydney. It was an undeniably large turnout, and people clearly felt passionately about the issue. The sneering, cynical response of some opponents was such a bad look, IMO.
The enthusiasm to get involved in public policy is admirable in any form, and peaceful protest is a part of that. It's fine to attack the ideals behind the protest, of course, but some of the personal stuff that turns a valid discussion into a rant about Greta or 'millennials' just makes you look like an old man shaking your fist at the clouds. IMO.
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@barbarian said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
While I see both sides of the Greta issue, I do think some of the criticism of her (and the general youth climate movement) is a bit ill-advised.
For whatever reason, this is an issue that really resonates with young people. In the context of the 20th century, this is not unique and it comes along from time to time in various forms.
There are good ways and bad ways to address these concerns. Saying words to the effect of 'these dumb kids need to shut up and let the grown-ups sort it out' is the worst possible way to deal with it. And I've seen plenty of criticism in Australia that is more or less saying that.
That approach just furthers the divide, and creates animosity where it's not needed.
The same thing happened with the climate protests in Sydney. It was an undeniably large turnout, and people clearly felt passionately about the issue. The sneering, cynical response of some opponents was such a bad look, IMO.
The enthusiasm to get involved in public policy is admirable in any form, and peaceful protest is a part of that. It's fine to attack the ideals behind the protest, of course, but some of the personal stuff that turns a valid discussion into a rant about Greta or 'millennials' just makes you look like an old man shaking your fist at the clouds. IMO.
I’ll have you know I identify as an old man shaking my fist at clouds .
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@jegga said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
And the award for most pointless virtue signal since Bonocock said he wouldn’t get married till gay marriage is legal goes to the Spinoff
The world will keep turning without three hours of your woke as fuck content being produced
What the? They think bunking off work on full pay is a virtue?
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@barbarian said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
While I see both sides of the Greta issue, I do think some of the criticism of her (and the general youth climate movement) is a bit ill-advised.
For whatever reason, this is an issue that really resonates with young people. In the context of the 20th century, this is not unique and it comes along from time to time in various forms.
There are good ways and bad ways to address these concerns. Saying words to the effect of 'these dumb kids need to shut up and let the grown-ups sort it out' is the worst possible way to deal with it. And I've seen plenty of criticism in Australia that is more or less saying that.
That approach just furthers the divide, and creates animosity where it's not needed.
The same thing happened with the climate protests in Sydney. It was an undeniably large turnout, and people clearly felt passionately about the issue. The sneering, cynical response of some opponents was such a bad look, IMO.
The enthusiasm to get involved in public policy is admirable in any form, and peaceful protest is a part of that. It's fine to attack the ideals behind the protest, of course, but some of the personal stuff that turns a valid discussion into a rant about Greta or 'millennials' just makes you look like an old man shaking your fist at the clouds. IMO.
I have stayed out of this debate mostly as religious discussions bore me nowdays.
But your post is rubbish. Dont criticise a lecturing aggressive, abusive child who is throwing a tantrum on a stage.. because other kids might agree with her tantrum?
The pronblem with the youth movement you seem to be so keen to appease is that they are spilt into just a few camps
1/ Kids jumping on a bandwagon to get time off school or impress a girl
2/ Smart kids who know a bit about the issue, but only really just enough to take very lecturing tones and accuse others of very serious things whilst simultaneously showing they are not as smart as they think they are.
3/ Really vulnerable kids who are brainwashed dby older people.None of those kids are worth listening to, as none of them are impressive. They are the offspring of a religious doomsday cult. And before accusing others of causing animosity, take a watch at Gretas speech again, you tell me who is really causing division with those antics. WHo is really taking the 'you are my friend or my enemy' approach. And then think if that is in any way appropriate for a child to be doing. She was full of HATRED ffs. Hatred positively dripped off her.
So she and people like you who imply that criticising her approach and attitude is the real mreaosn for division, is just complete and utter bullshit. It is attitudes like yours manifested on a large scale that is causing division, as soon as anyone is above criticism, personal or not, we are fucked.
Greta Thunberg is toxic, and as long as she is some sort of apostle for the climate religion division will either grow or be suddenly and completely eliminated.. and the latter really would be an extinction for civilised society.Your post bothered me far more than her speech, she was just hatred fueled young girl manipulated by others. You buying into as an apostle above criticism for the way she behaved is a far more troubling.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
1/ Kids jumping on a bandwagon to get time off school or impress a girl
wonder how many of these kids would have gone if this was held during the school holidays?
TR Jnr reckoned he was going on strike today, but he wasnt able to give me enough information about why they were striking, it was just about 'climate change', so virtual kick up the arse and off to school sunshine.
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@taniwharugby said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
1/ Kids jumping on a bandwagon to get time off school or impress a girl
wonder how many of these kids would have gone if this was held during the school holidays?
TR Jnr reckoned he was going on strike today, but he wasnt able to give me enough information about why they were striking, it was just about 'climate change', so virtual kick up the arse and off to school sunshine.
Last time they did it my son pointed out how good it was having all the sanctimonious sjw twat types gone for a whole school day .
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The climate change hysteria is just so over the the top I really struggle to take it seriously anymore. Chatting to people in the office there are a lot of people like me. I think this "climate strike" and Greta's outrageous speech is having the opposite effect to what they'd want.
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And now that I ahve been temporarily draewn into this religious war...
No Greta it is not a 'Fairytale of eternal economic growth' it is a bloody necessity you economically illiterate, spoiled, lecturing lemon faced turd. Without economic growth we cannot lift people out of poverty, we cannot stop any of the things you are so rabidly ranting about, we would have global recession in which billions would die within years and the rest of humanity suffer a tragic downturn in quality of life.
I am willing to bet Greta has never seen true poverty, never seen people scratching and clawing there way through and trying to get ahead. Those exact people would be the very first casualties on her war on 'eternal economic growth'.Humanity has generally always had economic growth and thank fuck for that, because when we havent... it has been bad... REALLY bad. How the hell people expect that sort of neo marxist, pretyt evil, thinking to go unchallenged in any meaningful way is staggering. But I guess not surprising when ypu consider her supporters are mostly white middle class folks who only give the slightest of thoughts to people who are actually on the financial borderline.
Some days I wish we could clone the planet and all those who have Gretas view went on one planet and those how disagree could go on another and then see how it all pans out. Gretas planet could get rid of that pesky eternal economic growth and the other planet would have to figure out to survive with 1.5 degree warmer temperatures.....
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
I am willing to bet Greta has never seen true poverty, never seen people scratching and clawing there way through and trying to get ahead. Those exact people would be the very first casualties on her war on 'eternal economic growth'.
100% this. The wife witnessed abject poverty first hand in PNG when she was a kid, and often talks about the way these "climate activists" clearly do not give the slightest bit of a fuck about poor people in third world countries.
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@No-Quarter said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
I am willing to bet Greta has never seen true poverty, never seen people scratching and clawing there way through and trying to get ahead. Those exact people would be the very first casualties on her war on 'eternal economic growth'.
100% this. The wife witnessed abject poverty first hand in PNG when she was a kid, and often talks about the way these "climate activists" clearly do not give the slightest bit of a fuck about poor people in third world countries.
True. But do we?
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@No-Quarter said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
I am willing to bet Greta has never seen true poverty, never seen people scratching and clawing there way through and trying to get ahead. Those exact people would be the very first casualties on her war on 'eternal economic growth'.
100% this. The wife witnessed abject poverty first hand in PNG when she was a kid, and often talks about the way these "climate activists" clearly do not give the slightest bit of a fuck about poor people in third world countries.
That's a pretty big generalisation.
Whilst I don't really know where I stand, some of my friends that are most passionate about this stuff have come from pretty impoverished backgrounds.
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@Hooroo said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@No-Quarter said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
I am willing to bet Greta has never seen true poverty, never seen people scratching and clawing there way through and trying to get ahead. Those exact people would be the very first casualties on her war on 'eternal economic growth'.
100% this. The wife witnessed abject poverty first hand in PNG when she was a kid, and often talks about the way these "climate activists" clearly do not give the slightest bit of a fuck about poor people in third world countries.
True. But do we?
By western standards I do.
Some of my employees are really in that zone, some through poor choices others just lack of opportunity.
But I see it, and if the economy shrinks guys like that will the very very first to feel the pain and have to face the reality that they cannot feed their kids, and the govt is to broke to help them.
As for global standards, I have seen during travels, but that sint the same. But still enough to know that Gretas acolytes telling them that hat they need is a good dose of global recession to stop a 1.5 degree temp rise would not be welcome. -
@Hooroo said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@No-Quarter said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
I am willing to bet Greta has never seen true poverty, never seen people scratching and clawing there way through and trying to get ahead. Those exact people would be the very first casualties on her war on 'eternal economic growth'.
100% this. The wife witnessed abject poverty first hand in PNG when she was a kid, and often talks about the way these "climate activists" clearly do not give the slightest bit of a fuck about poor people in third world countries.
True. But do we?
Hah, good question. I do, but given that through my wife I now have family living in poverty in a third world country I'm more invested.
In the past 20 odd years we've seen a massive reduction in people living in abject poverty, and I'd like to see that trend continue. From what I've read, many of the proposals put forward by climate activists are anti-human and would almost certainly reverse that trend.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@Hooroo said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@No-Quarter said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
I am willing to bet Greta has never seen true poverty, never seen people scratching and clawing there way through and trying to get ahead. Those exact people would be the very first casualties on her war on 'eternal economic growth'.
100% this. The wife witnessed abject poverty first hand in PNG when she was a kid, and often talks about the way these "climate activists" clearly do not give the slightest bit of a fuck about poor people in third world countries.
True. But do we?
By western standards I do.
Some of my employees are really in that zone, some through poor choices others just lack of opportunity.
But I see it, and if the economy shrinks guys like that will the very very first to feel the pain and have to face the reality that they cannot feed their kids, and the govt is to broke to help them.
As for global standards, I have seen during travels, but that sint the same. But still enough to know that Gretas acolytes telling them that hat they need is a good dose of global recession to stop a 1.5 degree temp rise would not be welcome.Good call. (I guess we are the same in our industry and the people we employ)
I kind of meant those in 3rd world countries rther than our own country.
I can put my hand up and say I do nothing and don't try to do anything to help. I do feel sorry for them, don't get me wrong as for the most it is due to a rubbish govt rather than poor personal choices.
I don't do squat for the environment either except burn all our plastic, which contributes in one way
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@SammyC said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@No-Quarter said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
I am willing to bet Greta has never seen true poverty, never seen people scratching and clawing there way through and trying to get ahead. Those exact people would be the very first casualties on her war on 'eternal economic growth'.
100% this. The wife witnessed abject poverty first hand in PNG when she was a kid, and often talks about the way these "climate activists" clearly do not give the slightest bit of a fuck about poor people in third world countries.
That's a pretty big generalisation.
Whilst I don't really know where I stand, some of my friends that are most passionate about this stuff have come from pretty impoverished backgrounds.
Lack of passion is bever an issue with claimte change activists, I think we can all agree on that. Not really the point though. Passionate about helping poor people, passionate about wanting to be seen caring about poor people or passionate about actually doing significant measurable things to help.
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@Hooroo said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@Hooroo said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@No-Quarter said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
I am willing to bet Greta has never seen true poverty, never seen people scratching and clawing there way through and trying to get ahead. Those exact people would be the very first casualties on her war on 'eternal economic growth'.
100% this. The wife witnessed abject poverty first hand in PNG when she was a kid, and often talks about the way these "climate activists" clearly do not give the slightest bit of a fuck about poor people in third world countries.
True. But do we?
By western standards I do.
Some of my employees are really in that zone, some through poor choices others just lack of opportunity.
But I see it, and if the economy shrinks guys like that will the very very first to feel the pain and have to face the reality that they cannot feed their kids, and the govt is to broke to help them.
As for global standards, I have seen during travels, but that sint the same. But still enough to know that Gretas acolytes telling them that hat they need is a good dose of global recession to stop a 1.5 degree temp rise would not be welcome.Good call. (I guess we are the same in our industry and the people we employ)
I kind of meant those in 3rd world countries rther than our own country.
I can put my hand up and say I do nothing and don't try to do anything to help. I do feel sorry for them, don't get me wrong as for the most it is due to a rubbish govt rather than poor personal choices.
I don't do squat for the environment either except burn all our plastic, which contributes in one way
Yeah you do, you support a method of governing that has a proven track record of helping people succeed and grow, that has seen more people lifted from poverty than any time in history.
You support Capitalism. And captalism thrives when powered by economic growth. You not wanting to tear down capitalism is actually a help to poor people! -
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@Hooroo said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@Hooroo said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@No-Quarter said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Climate Change #3 & Other Environmental Issues:
I am willing to bet Greta has never seen true poverty, never seen people scratching and clawing there way through and trying to get ahead. Those exact people would be the very first casualties on her war on 'eternal economic growth'.
100% this. The wife witnessed abject poverty first hand in PNG when she was a kid, and often talks about the way these "climate activists" clearly do not give the slightest bit of a fuck about poor people in third world countries.
True. But do we?
By western standards I do.
Some of my employees are really in that zone, some through poor choices others just lack of opportunity.
But I see it, and if the economy shrinks guys like that will the very very first to feel the pain and have to face the reality that they cannot feed their kids, and the govt is to broke to help them.
As for global standards, I have seen during travels, but that sint the same. But still enough to know that Gretas acolytes telling them that hat they need is a good dose of global recession to stop a 1.5 degree temp rise would not be welcome.Good call. (I guess we are the same in our industry and the people we employ)
I kind of meant those in 3rd world countries rther than our own country.
I can put my hand up and say I do nothing and don't try to do anything to help. I do feel sorry for them, don't get me wrong as for the most it is due to a rubbish govt rather than poor personal choices.
I don't do squat for the environment either except burn all our plastic, which contributes in one way
Yeah you do, you support a method of governing that has a proven track record of helping people succeed and grow, that has seen more people lifted from poverty than any time in history.
You support Capitalism. And captalism thrives when powered by economic growth. You not wanting to tear down capitalism is actually a help to poor people!I feel like that retarded kid on The Simpsons.
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